On 23 May 2013 07:01, stephane ducasse <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I would _love_ to be able to use Smalltalk at work. Until it can work >> properly with git, and people can use their own text editors (vim, >> emacs, sublime), and quite a few other bits and pieces, it's just a >> non-starter. > > it will happen. I'm sure :) > >> I _like_ Pharo, and I _like_ how it has energy and momentum, and a >> much nicer UI than the old Pharo 1.0 UI. I'm honestly quite jealous of >> the resources the community wields, not just because of INRIA's and >> the Consortium's money, but because there are loads of people actually >> around, who are prepared to knuckle down and do the gruntwork needed. >> Squeak is now a very small community. I'm rather proud of what we get >> done with what little we have. > > Just so that I understand. What are you trying to achieve?
I want a minimal Smalltalk with decent modularity semantics. I want decent integration with the standard tools of the trade. I _don't_ want to require special unique snowflake tools to work with my code. Right now I'm breaking up the Squeak Trunk into pieces, unloading things as I go. I hope, at some stage, to end up with some fairly minimal thing that will still allow one to load the main things that Squeak's used for. Colin Putney's Environments work is the main thrust for 4.5, together with the usual cruft removal work. But I see your point about lack of vision, whether perceived or actual. That's something Squeak will have to work on. > Most of the pharo people are not payed for doing pharo. What we are building > (and fighting for) is an > ecosystem in which smart guys can also find a job and it is becoming to > happen. Mariano is full of work > and many others. Sean told me that he got several job offers. > > Pharo is not the end, it is the start. It is not like we would like it to be > but everyday it gets closer to it. That's good to hear. I feel the same way about Squeak, although it's clearly a lot, er, *mossier* than Pharo. frank
