Re: [Pharo-dev] consideration of Smalltalk "DoIt"

[Ben Coman]

Thanks Sebastian, I was looking to find counter-views. Did you notice you needed to put the 'Do it' in quotes, but not 'Evaluate' - so the latter seems more natural to me. Also 'Do it' needed a lot more supporting language than 'Evaluate'.  For your examples...    [1] zero extra words    [2] five extra words    [3] five extra words Now this contrived example, but how would you write the following using 'Do it' ? " In order, evaluate 'Grid new' , 'Cell new' and 'Grid new add: Cell new'  " I think it would be a bad idea to have both 'Evaluate it' and 'Do it' int he menus.  It seems wrong to have two labels doing the same thing. cheers -ben Sebastian Sastre wrote: Having evaluate wont hurt but I would NOT remove the traditional do it For sentences with it, I would alternate between Evaluate 'Grid new' [1] and remember that doIt is a message send and button/command like "select 'Grid new' and 'Do it' from the menu" [2] some smalltalk IDEs can say "select 'Grid new' and press the 'Do it' button" [3] sebastian o/ On 15/07/2014, at 14:33, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <emaring...@gmail.com> wrote: I would use "Evaluate". And even go a little bit further, and propose a rename of "DoIt" to "Evaluate". The command line handler is "EvaluateCommandLineHandler". Dolphin used "evaluate", it feels natural even for not-native English speakers like me. Also, REPL stands for read-EVAL-print-loop. So eval is an widely accepted term to run a chunk of code. Regards. Esteban A. Maringolo 2014-07-15 14:20 GMT-03:00 Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com>: Mostly I take for granted that "DoIt" has always been the way to evaluate things with Smalltalk, however I find it awkward to use in writing a tutorial. Some examples... * After saving, select "Grid new" and "DoIt" -- this sounds awkward, and even that you might need select the latter as well. * After saving, "Grid new" DoIt. -- doesn't read nice * After saving, DoIt to "Grid new." -- worst of all I'd feel better writing something like this... * After saving, evaluate "Grid new". but "evaluate" is not an item in the menus. I think actually many people talk this way with the implicit convention that "evaluate" means "DoIt". So first, does anyone have a good way to compose sentences using "DoIt". Second, how evil would it be to change the menus from "DoIt" to "Evaluate" and so avoid the implicit convention. cheers -ben <dolphin-evaluate.png>