Tudor I think you doing a great job and you are correct that Pharo is there concerning the goal you describing. But my goal is not the goal you are describing. My goal is the next step, its the product of your goal. What happens when you have a mouldable IDE. I am talking about the specific tools themselves not tools that help create those tools.
Its the same with 3d graphics apps, no artist want to use graphic engines to create 3d graphics, they want to use tools that already provide the means to achieve the result they want. This is why opengl is not enough , or a graphic engine, or even visual coding environment. For example lets say that I want a tool to visualise structure of objects and how they depend on each other. I know that I can do that with roassal but I am not aware if such tool exist already for Pharo. I would also like another tool that visualizes sockets connection and communication. Data that comes in Pharo and goes out. I would also like a drag and drop GUI designer. I would also like a tool, that would allow me to quickly browse through class comments and edit them and even share them online, like an online database. I would also like code completion that also displays small info about the code to be completed. I would also like visual integration of git. Git alone is a huge collection of tools. and so on .... On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Tudor Girba <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Kilon, > > Excellent observation! > > The Glamorous Toolkit implements the idea of a Moldable IDE. The idea is > simple: make it dead cheap for the developer to mold the IDE to his/her > contextual needs. > > Until now, we have announced an inspector and a debugger that do just > that. The inspector makes it possible to mold the tool for every little > object if you desire. For example, I alone have built literally hundreds of > extensions for various objects. Actually, the inspector goes as far as to > allow you to mold the flow to the context in which you are. The debugger > lets you define custom debuggers that you can switch to while debugging. > All these extensions are incredibly small (an object inspector extension > has an average of 8 lines, and the debuggers we implemented consist of a > couple of hundred loc), they are independent of each other, and they are > put together through a small frame. Add to that the potential of using > multiple rendering engines and we get a brand new philosophy that I believe > holds the potential to change software development significantly. > > This is not a far goal. It's a reality now. At ESUG, we will show how > these tools work now in practice. > > What Roberto is doing is complementary to our efforts. Data mining will > certainly play a significant role in this picture, precisely when we will > start to have thousands of these little contextual tools. At this time, > DFlow is experimental, but eventually a tool like this should become part > of the IDE as we need to understand how developers work in their context > and what they need in their context. That is why his effort should be > supported by our community. Please install it and give feedback. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:06 PM, kilon alios <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I think the future are tools tailor made for specific kind of tasks . The >> age of IDEs and Languages has come to an end. Neither programming languages >> and IDEs can maintain the complexity of modern software. They are too >> generic.I think that what we need is a UNIX system but with GUIs , a >> collection of tools that can talk to each other but at the same time have >> an extremely limited scope as tools. Smalltalk definitely moves towards >> that direction but even Smalltalk is far from that goal. >> >> I see that paradigm a lot in 3d art, it raises the amount of knowledge >> required because you end up with learning hundreds of tools contained in a >> single application but if you want professional results and you are dead >> serious about efficiency and productivity then its the way to go. >> >> I will install DFlow and help you in your saga, but bare in mind that >> DFlow will tell you what I use and I how , but it wont answer you the most >> important question "what I want to use and how I want to use it" . >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Roberto Minelli <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I uploaded a web page to explain Self-Adaptive IDEs, the vision I will >>> develop for my Ph.D >>> http://www.inf.usi.ch/phd/minelli/self-adaptive-ides/index.html. >>> >>> Please take a minute to look at it and tell me your opinion! >>> >>> At the moment we are conducting an experiment with my interaction >>> profiler (DFlow). It would be >>> great if you could participate! This will cost you little effort but >>> help me to gather an understanding >>> of development practices and interactions. This is the ground for >>> improving our Pharo IDE! >>> >>> Cheers and thanks in advance, >>> Roberto >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >
