2014-08-18 6:55 GMT-03:00 p...@highoctane.be <p...@highoctane.be>: > I'd say that we now have: > Camillo - pissed off to death > Ben - same > Nico - gone > > There is something amiss there. > > These people are significant contributors and made the system move forward > in new and much needed directions (Zeroconf/CommandLine, Spec, Amber). > Pissing them off is really a bad approach, no matter why/how/... Get the > house in order please and stop the ego trips. Yelling at people/each other > just doesn't work and doesn't help. Try that at your cat.
In my own interest I'd like all parties settle down and continue working to make Pharo advance. Pharo should advance whether people love or hate Stephane (or whoever is in the board). > Oh, yeah, it helps in pushing great people to other communities... As we > needed that. > And now, I am feeling sad. Same feeling here. We can't afford losing valuable contributors. But also if this is the result of something, it is not very different to how Pharo started (and also other "forks" not only in the Smalltalk community). > At the same time, none of this kind of thing ever prevented progress. > I guess you can remember the dual hierarchies in previous version of Pharo... > Pharo itself came to life because we wanted progress. > Now, we attract people who want to do things differently. > And then are surprised that they want to do just that. > Who got named "Random Refactorers"? Remember that? And calling people names? How I see it, Pharo as a project is in a perpetual struggle about what you mention, because: A) It is building everything it can to let new developers flourish without a central authority B) It still is "design by committee" at a large extent. The outcome of this struggle is going to be next turning point (for better or for worse). Progress in point A is evident, and I can understand why B is still current (community size). Nowadays it feels "ministerial" a lot , and it's our own fault to look to Pharo (as an organization) every time we have a need. A "take it or leave it" situation. Or more like "a take it or fork it" ;-) Esteban A. Maringolo
