On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> wrote:
> @ Phil > > Yes, I am sad as well, this is not how it should be. I really liked each > of them a lot. > Now, whenever people collaborate there will be conflicts, this is > inevitable. A conflict is often complex, has always two sides to it, and a > long history (it is not just about one thing right now, most of the history > is unknown to us, lots of personal things come into play as well). How > conflicts are dealt with (or left festering) is what counts. > haro is not about one person, it is an open source community. It is not > good to generalise and hold the community hostage, or hurt it deliberately > - this goes against the very thing you contributed selflessly to in the > first place. > > We have a rudimentary mechanism to deal with conflicts, it is called the > board: > > <from the website> > > The board > > Pharo has a board composed of Marcus Denker, Stephane Ducasse, Sven Van > Caekenberghe, Tudor Gîrba and Esteban Lorenzano. > > The role of the board is to make decisions if in the future the community > can't decide on a course of action. > > </from the website> > > Even if the conflict involves a board member, the board should play its > role. If necessary, individual board members can be contacted. This has not > happened. > Let's remember that for the next case. > > > @ Ben > > I am sad and sorry about you leaving. You will be missed and I thank you > for all you did. I hope that maybe one day we will hear from you again. > > I remember that young student coming in with all this energy, writing a > new code browser, Nautilus, from scratch, and doing Spec along the way - it > was a herculean task. You did great work and we all benefit from it. > > > @ Camillo > > Iden ditto: you leaving makes me really sad and I will miss you - thank > you for everything you did. I hope we'll meet again. > > I have fond memories about meeting you during sprints starting in the old > INRIA building. Your enthusiasm was really contagious, there was no task > you would not want to tackle. You rewrote the book for Pharo for command > line handling, issue tracking, issue validation, git integration, the eye > inspector, source/change file compaction and so much more. You have a great > sense of good design, we're all better for it. > > > Peace, > > Sven > > On 18 Aug 2014, at 11:55, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > > I'd say that we now have: > > > > Camillo - pissed off to death > > Ben - same > > Nico - gone > > > > There is something amiss there. > > > > These people are significant contributors and made the system move > forward in new and much needed directions (Zeroconf/CommandLine, Spec, > Amber). > > > > Pissing them off is really a bad approach, no matter why/how/... Get the > house in order please and stop the ego trips. Yelling at people/each other > just doesn't work and doesn't help. Try that at your cat. > > > > Oh, yeah, it helps in pushing great people to other communities... As we > needed that. > > > > And now, I am feeling sad. > > > > Phil > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com> > wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > > > Thanks for letting us know. > > > > I am sorry you feel this way, but I believe your presentation of the > situation is both unfair and unfortunate. You are obviously referring to > issues that are of personal nature, and as outsiders we are left with only > an ugly feeling without being able to either understand or fix anything. > > > > I was actually having fun until your email, and as far as I can tell, > others were having fun as well. I am not sure what the intention of your > email was, but at least for me, your mail did manage to spoil the fun for a > second. > > > > I appreciate the work you put in Pharo, I respect your decision, but I > do not sympathize with your behavior. > > > > Good luck, > > Doru > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Benjamin < > benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello guys, > > > > I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community, > > as well as the Smalltalk community. > > > > I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public > > level or a private level. > > > > It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a > discussion > > without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting. > > > > I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to > unleash > > his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts. > > > > I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community > > where we can all have fun building a future. > > > > Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way > Stephane > > is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of > you. > > > > It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led > > by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles. > > > > I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch > > if you want to have a beer someday ;) > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > >
