So why not simply ReactiveValueHolder? Who will look for ValueHolder
will find it, who will look for reactive variables will find it and it
well describes the purpose of the class ;-)

Cheers,
-- Pavel



2014-08-19 9:25 GMT+02:00 p...@highoctane.be <p...@highoctane.be>:
> Sure but the new thing was NewValueHolder.
>
> ValueHolder per se doesn't look like impacted.
>
> Well I saw some OldValueHolder proposal but it seemed strange to me.
>
> How would you name the new thing?
>
> Is there some pattern for that kind of case?
>
> Phil
>
> Le 19 août 2014 07:52, "Eliot Miranda" <eliot.mira...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>
>>
>> It is well to remember Marshall McLuhan, The Medium is the Message, the
>> thesis of which is that the nature of any medium has more importance than
>> the content if that medium in shaping its effects in the users of that
>> medium.
>>
>> On the medium side, email is devoid of nuance, unless smattered with
>> emoticons, themselves a very limited sub-medium that many of us employ only
>> partially.  It is /so/ common to see an escalation of hurt emerge from an
>> email thread started by a misreading of an email that imputed offense when
>> none was intended.
>>
>> On the message side, names are important.  Sentences become
>> incomprehensible if nouns are arbitrarily rebound.  ValueHolder may not be
>> the greatest name, just as apareille a photo is clumsier than camera, but we
>> can't just change them to frotboggle or bungswallop just because they sound
>> more poetic.  ReactiveVariable is criticizes me on the basis that it is an
>> object that contains a variable, not a variable itself, and garner
>> misleading, /and/ that it is a renaming of an (albeit imperfectly) already
>> named concept, ValueHolder, and if one doesn't want to unnecessarily break
>> others' understanding and much older Pharo and non-Pharo code that uses it
>> one is better leaving sleeping dogs lie.
>>
>> HTH
>> Eliot (phone)
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Benjamin
>> <benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello guys,
>> >
>> > I am sending this email to explain why I am quiting the Pharo community,
>> > as well as the Smalltalk community.
>> >
>> > I can not bear Stephane Ducasse's behavior anymore whether at a public
>> > level or a private level.
>> >
>> > It seems that his ego is preventing him from being able to have a
>> > discussion
>> > without overreacting, being agressive, or insulting.
>> >
>> > I can not approve how Stephane is constantly talking behind my back to
>> > unleash
>> > his irrationnal wrath and to provide his very own version of the facts.
>> >
>> > I can not see how this can lead to a peaceful and respectful community
>> > where we can all have fun building a future.
>> >
>> > Therefore I will not be part of this project anymore, since the way
>> > Stephane
>> > is acting is taking away all the fun I can have interacting with all of
>> > you.
>> >
>> > It was a hard decision to take, but I can not be part of a community led
>> > by someone whose behaviour is going against all my principles.
>> >
>> > I wish to all of you to have fun, and keep me in touch
>> > if you want to have a beer someday ;)
>> >
>> > Ben
>>

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