Le 25 nov. 2014 08:59, "Esteban Lorenzano" <[email protected]> a écrit : > > >> On 25 Nov 2014, at 08:27, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Well, I am working with a couple startups in the mobile space. >> >> You see that people uninstall larger apps. >> >> It is not an opinion it is a metric. Also I am speaking about RAM too. >> >> Nexus devices are special as they usually manage storage well and have more than other devices. I have a nexus 7 around. >> >> Some apps are not able to go to the external SD card and with devices with 4 or 8 GB internal storage it becomes an issue once you factor in pictures, movies etc. Cleanmaster not withstanding. I use it too. But not everyone knows about it. >> >> Lower end smartphones aren't as good. >> >> I want Pharo to be relevant on my mobe as a dev platform through HTML5. Maybe not today but ultimately. >> >> Part of that is reducing the footprint. Java runs on the mobe in a smaller footprint. So can Pharo. >> A modular Pharo is the key and it is not easy to achieve it seems. > > in iOS, pharo does not load all image into RAM for running, it just loads a paginated version, so you do not have all image in memory at a time. > this was a cool solution at the moment. > the problem why pharo is not more used in mobile is because it was slower than a native app, and there were some problems due the absence of FFI on ARM. > With Nick Ager we even did an extension to transform the main window of an iPhone into a WebView, handled (at the moment) by a seaside app using jquery mobile. > results were interesting (although I disagree with html5 supporters and I think it is still ages far from truly native).
I saw some of that in the iOS VM. It is nice. HTML5 is not native speed indeed. But I am on the HTML5 bandwagon, so, that's what I do use. Hence my interest in Amber for example. Phil > > Esteban > >> PharoME - "Micro Edition" is a powerful value proposition for a lot of use cases. >> >> Coupled with things like what Goran does with Nim could open interesting avenues. >> >> I agree that machines are getting more powerful and this will not matter in the long run. But for getting in the game now it does. That's the whole point I think. >> >> Phil >> >> Le 25 nov. 2014 00:48, "kilon alios" <[email protected]> a écrit : >>> >>> my opinion is this : if something needs to go because it does not add to the usefulness of the package , then kill it without hesitation and kill it with fire. >>> >>> But if you kill it just for the sake of keeping the distribution small then yes I have a problem with that especially for platforms that size is not an issue for the vast majority of users. >>> >>> Other than that I leave it to the good judgement of pharoers , obviously sometime is not a simple decision and will depend on the particulars of the situation. > >
