Langpop.com was last updated in October of 2013. That's an eternity in our
industry.

I look forward to the Redmonk rankings later this month (they're done twice
a year). I believe they're based on the same data as langpop.corger.nl, so
you can get an early preview!

Clojure gets tons of praise. That's why it has so much mindshare. /Hype
works./ We need to build some hype for Smalltalk.


kilon.alios wrote
> Lets see the big picture here, if you take a look at TIOBE INDEX or
> LANGPOP
> or the internet at large you get a clear picture about java based
> languages
> . Popularity wise they have been a ultimate failure. Right now the only
> language that is barely noticable is Scala and even Scala is nowhere near
> as popular as the less popular languages like Pascal, Delphi and Visual
> Basic. Of course each website gives diffirent numbers but those numbers
> are
> just different in only few percentage units.
> 
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
> 
> http://langpop.com/
> 
> Hype also does not help those languages either. Take a look at Clojure ,
> one of the most overhyped languages out there not just on JVM but
> anywhere,
> in both websites I mentioned Clojure like Pharo does not make it even in
> top 50. Tons of blogs post about Clojure only, tons of praise, and praise
> and praise.
> 
> I can say about jython itself , a python implementation for the JVM and
> ironpython which is python for .NET are barely noticable in the python
> world with cpython gathering at least 99.9% of the attention.
> 
> So its a really hard situation . Coding has become extremely complex and
> demanding , coders want languages are deeply documented and come with tons
> of libraries so its very hard for new languages to kick in. Also the
> assumption that because you love a language you will be willing to start
> using java libraries seems to have failed miserably. These languages seem
> more appealing to java developers and java developers dont seem willing to
> abandon Java any time soon.
> 
> So as always Java death has been greatly exaggerated.
> 
> The situation for Javascript based languages is even worse.
> 
> So frankly what has happened with Redline is pretty normal.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:36 AM, Craig Latta <

> craig@

> > wrote:
> 
>>
>> > Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can
>> > also get you bitten. :)
>>
>>      Sure, and shaking the hive too rarely will get you starved.
>>
>>
>> -C
>>
>> --
>> Craig Latta
>> netjam.org
>> +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok)
>> + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)
>>
>>
>>





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