I wonder if it would make sense to add a "Smalltalk-talk" mailing list... I am sure ESUG could host that.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Andreas Wacknitz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Am 15.01.15 16:08, schrieb horrido: > >> As I've written elsewhere, I believe the TIOBE index is plain rubbish. >> Much >> of their rankings make no sense to me whatsoever. >> >> Langpop.corger.nl <http://langpop.corger.nl/> is my "go to" website for >> language rankings. It's not perfect, but it makes a whole lot more sense >> to >> me. >> >> Scala, Groovy, and Clojure are not "ultimate failures." Heck, they're >> doing >> at least as well as Go, my second favourite language of all time. (Go is >> red-hot in China. Go has an enviable set of "standard" libraries.) >> > http://dtrace.org/blogs/wesolows/2014/12/29/golang-is-trash/ > > > >> I agree that Java is our greatest foe. We are "300" against its Xerxes. >> That's why I am sanguine about Redline – we need it! >> >> >> kilon.alios wrote >> >>> Lets see the big picture here, if you take a look at TIOBE INDEX or >>> LANGPOP >>> or the internet at large you get a clear picture about java based >>> languages >>> . Popularity wise they have been a ultimate failure. Right now the only >>> language that is barely noticable is Scala and even Scala is nowhere near >>> as popular as the less popular languages like Pascal, Delphi and Visual >>> Basic. Of course each website gives diffirent numbers but those numbers >>> are >>> just different in only few percentage units. >>> >>> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >>> >>> http://langpop.com/ >>> >>> Hype also does not help those languages either. Take a look at Clojure , >>> one of the most overhyped languages out there not just on JVM but >>> anywhere, >>> in both websites I mentioned Clojure like Pharo does not make it even in >>> top 50. Tons of blogs post about Clojure only, tons of praise, and praise >>> and praise. >>> >>> I can say about jython itself , a python implementation for the JVM and >>> ironpython which is python for .NET are barely noticable in the python >>> world with cpython gathering at least 99.9% of the attention. >>> >>> So its a really hard situation . Coding has become extremely complex and >>> demanding , coders want languages are deeply documented and come with >>> tons >>> of libraries so its very hard for new languages to kick in. Also the >>> assumption that because you love a language you will be willing to start >>> using java libraries seems to have failed miserably. These languages seem >>> more appealing to java developers and java developers dont seem willing >>> to >>> abandon Java any time soon. >>> >>> So as always Java death has been greatly exaggerated. >>> >>> The situation for Javascript based languages is even worse. >>> >>> So frankly what has happened with Redline is pretty normal. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:36 AM, Craig Latta < >>> craig@ >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can >>>>> also get you bitten. :) >>>>> >>>> Sure, and shaking the hive too rarely will get you starved. >>>> >>>> >>>> -C >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Craig Latta >>>> netjam.org >>>> +31 6 2757 7177 (SMS ok) >>>> + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/InfoWorld-on-Redline- >> Smalltalk-tp4799612p4799716.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> > > -- -- Marcus Denker -- [email protected] http://www.marcusdenker.de
