Am 15.01.15 16:08, schrieb horrido:
As I've written elsewhere, I believe the TIOBE index is plain rubbish. Much
of their rankings make no sense to me whatsoever.
Langpop.corger.nl <http://langpop.corger.nl/> is my "go to" website for
language rankings. It's not perfect, but it makes a whole lot more sense to
me.
Scala, Groovy, and Clojure are not "ultimate failures." Heck, they're doing
at least as well as Go, my second favourite language of all time. (Go is
red-hot in China. Go has an enviable set of "standard" libraries.)
http://dtrace.org/blogs/wesolows/2014/12/29/golang-is-trash/
I agree that Java is our greatest foe. We are "300" against its Xerxes.
That's why I am sanguine about Redline – we need it!
kilon.alios wrote
Lets see the big picture here, if you take a look at TIOBE INDEX or
LANGPOP
or the internet at large you get a clear picture about java based
languages
. Popularity wise they have been a ultimate failure. Right now the only
language that is barely noticable is Scala and even Scala is nowhere near
as popular as the less popular languages like Pascal, Delphi and Visual
Basic. Of course each website gives diffirent numbers but those numbers
are
just different in only few percentage units.
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
http://langpop.com/
Hype also does not help those languages either. Take a look at Clojure ,
one of the most overhyped languages out there not just on JVM but
anywhere,
in both websites I mentioned Clojure like Pharo does not make it even in
top 50. Tons of blogs post about Clojure only, tons of praise, and praise
and praise.
I can say about jython itself , a python implementation for the JVM and
ironpython which is python for .NET are barely noticable in the python
world with cpython gathering at least 99.9% of the attention.
So its a really hard situation . Coding has become extremely complex and
demanding , coders want languages are deeply documented and come with tons
of libraries so its very hard for new languages to kick in. Also the
assumption that because you love a language you will be willing to start
using java libraries seems to have failed miserably. These languages seem
more appealing to java developers and java developers dont seem willing to
abandon Java any time soon.
So as always Java death has been greatly exaggerated.
The situation for Javascript based languages is even worse.
So frankly what has happened with Redline is pretty normal.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:36 AM, Craig Latta <
craig@
> wrote:
Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can
also get you bitten. :)
Sure, and shaking the hive too rarely will get you starved.
-C
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