> Am 16.03.2015 um 10:00 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected]>:
> 
> I *really* do not understand why people make such a fuss about this.
> 
Ok, you really don't understand it. So? You don't have to understand 
everything! :)

> If you open a Playground and never do 'Do it and go', but instead keep on 
> using 'Do it' and 'Inspect it', the second pane never opens and there is 
> hardly any difference. You can keep using it as a notebook.
> 
I think the tab header is disturbing me the most. It makes the UI look like a 
more heavy tool. The timestamp in the tab doesn't make it better :)

> But you do get the much nicer 'Print it' and so many other things.
> 
> It took me some getting used to as well, but now I hardly notice the 
> difference.
> 
Yes, but we all are different. I use it for some time but still don't feel it 
being ok. But then I'm not totally clear what I want. I like to have a notebook 
probably where text is default and code needs markup (not sure). And I'm not 
sure if it is a good idea to have one tool here. Maybe the focus on playground 
and notebook are different.

We'll see.

Norbert
 
>> On 16 Mar 2015, at 08:31, Tudor Girba <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Why sorry?
>> 
>> Doru
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Norbert Hartl <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 15.03.2015 um 22:35 schrieb stepharo <[email protected]>:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> That is great. And you even have a solution for your problem. Both of 
>>>> these will remain in the image for Pharo 4, so that solution will work.
>>>> 
>>>> However, the menu is also the entry point for newcomers. We should not 
>>>> bombard them with choices that distract them from their goal of 
>>>> experiencing Pharo.
>>> 
>>> Yes so please fix the tab label :)
>> 
>> +1 (sorry, Doru :) )
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Doru
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:20 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> My usage pattern is not that.
>>>> 
>>>> I have GTPlayground disabled in the settings and GTInspector enabled
>>>> (Pharo3 here).
>>>> 
>>>> And I've made a keybinding to open the playground.
>>>> And use Alt-o Alt-w for getting a workspace.
>>>> 
>>>> So, I do use both. And not "one or the other".
>>>> 
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Tudor Girba <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Workspace is in the image. The only discussion is about the title of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> menu item.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When the Playground is enabled, the menu should show Playground instead of
>>>>> Workspace. And when the Workspace is enabled, it should show Workspace. 
>>>>> The
>>>>> slice in this direction is on my to do list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Doru
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:52 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Nicolai Hess <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Although it is difficult to find a agreement for this, I suggest
>>>>>>> to add a menu entry "Playground" and reuse the entry "Workspace" for
>>>>>>> the old workspace.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Soon we will have a new Pharo release. And I am afraid there will be
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> complaining
>>>>>>> like this:
>>>>>>> (Only on Workspace menu item that opens GTPlayground)
>>>>>>> -> "Hey where is my workspace?"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But instead I would like a
>>>>>>> Workspace menu item opens Workspace / Playground opens GTPlayground:
>>>>>>> and the feedback:
>>>>>>> -> "Hey, GTPlayground is so cool"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> what do you think?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think that this is the way I want things to be in Pharo4.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If we get the Playground only, I want a way to get the workspace as a
>>>>>> loadable configuration.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> nicolai
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Every thing has its own flow"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>>> 
>>>> "Every thing has its own flow"
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> www.tudorgirba.com
>> 
>> "Every thing has its own flow"
> 
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