There were complaints when Playground replaced Workspace as the default in the Pharo4-HEAD - even I, but I believe actually it was the right thing during "development" of Pharo 4 so that it got the wide exposure and feedback it needed for it to become a quality core tool. I think that was okay to "force" those of us happy to live on the bleeding edge - but the Release has a wider audience that is not necessarily so adaptable.
I am thinking hypothetically where (teaching) organisations may turn off Playground so that existing documentation doesn't need updating - such that users now miss the opportunity to explore Playground. If there was both Playground and Workspace on the world-menu, the even though the documentation examples use workspace, users can explore using Playground on their own. Its common practice to overlap the addition and removal of tools - like a staged deprecation strategy. Maybe Pharo 5 can remove Workspace. cheers -ben On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 16 Mar 2015, at 10:38, Nicolai Hess <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > 2015-03-16 10:00 GMT+01:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected]>: > > I *really* do not understand why people make such a fuss about this. > > > > it is not about me, I can live with that. > > What I don't want are extensive discussion after the release: "Why did > you remove the Workspace" > > I know. > > It is like someone said before: if we don't have anything new, why release > a new version at all ? > > > If you open a Playground and never do 'Do it and go', but instead keep > on using 'Do it' and 'Inspect it', the second pane never opens and there is > hardly any difference. You can keep using it as a notebook. > > > > But you do get the much nicer 'Print it' and so many other things. > > > > It took me some getting used to as well, but now I hardly notice the > difference. > > > > > On 16 Mar 2015, at 08:31, Tudor Girba <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Why sorry? > > > > > > Doru > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Norbert Hartl <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 15.03.2015 um 22:35 schrieb stepharo <[email protected]>: > > > > > >> > > >>> That is great. And you even have a solution for your problem. Both > of these will remain in the image for Pharo 4, so that solution will work. > > >>> > > >>> However, the menu is also the entry point for newcomers. We should > not bombard them with choices that distract them from their goal of > experiencing Pharo. > > >> > > >> Yes so please fix the tab label :) > > > > > > +1 (sorry, Doru :) ) > > > > > > > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Doru > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:20 PM, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> My usage pattern is not that. > > >>> > > >>> I have GTPlayground disabled in the settings and GTInspector enabled > > >>> (Pharo3 here). > > >>> > > >>> And I've made a keybinding to open the playground. > > >>> And use Alt-o Alt-w for getting a workspace. > > >>> > > >>> So, I do use both. And not "one or the other". > > >>> > > >>> Phil > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Tudor Girba <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> > Hi, > > >>> > > > >>> > The Workspace is in the image. The only discussion is about the > title of the > > >>> > menu item. > > >>> > > > >>> > When the Playground is enabled, the menu should show Playground > instead of > > >>> > Workspace. And when the Workspace is enabled, it should show > Workspace. The > > >>> > slice in this direction is on my to do list. > > >>> > > > >>> > Cheers, > > >>> > Doru > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:52 PM, [email protected] < > [email protected]> > > >>> > wrote: > > >>> >> > > >>> >> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Nicolai Hess <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >>> >> > Although it is difficult to find a agreement for this, I suggest > > >>> >> > to add a menu entry "Playground" and reuse the entry > "Workspace" for > > >>> >> > the old workspace. > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > Soon we will have a new Pharo release. And I am afraid there > will be > > >>> >> > some > > >>> >> > complaining > > >>> >> > like this: > > >>> >> > (Only on Workspace menu item that opens GTPlayground) > > >>> >> > -> "Hey where is my workspace?" > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > But instead I would like a > > >>> >> > Workspace menu item opens Workspace / Playground opens > GTPlayground: > > >>> >> > and the feedback: > > >>> >> > -> "Hey, GTPlayground is so cool" > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > what do you think? > > >>> >> > > >>> >> I think that this is the way I want things to be in Pharo4. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> If we get the Playground only, I want a way to get the workspace > as a > > >>> >> loadable configuration. > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Phil > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > nicolai > > >>> >> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > -- > > >>> > www.tudorgirba.com > > >>> > > > >>> > "Every thing has its own flow" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> www.tudorgirba.com > > >>> > > >>> "Every thing has its own flow" > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > > > > > >
