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Le 5/3/16 18:22, Eliot Miranda a écrit :
Stef,
On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:10 AM, stepharo <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You probably leave in a protected environment but I do not live in
the same.
Did you check numPy recently or R? momemtum?
Do you think that people do not know how to count?
In 1980 my students were not even born, so how can it be better than
python, java, c#, lua, ...
Do you think that it makes me happy to see my old friends leaving our
language and do node.js.
Seriously.
Why do you blame me? Frankly tell to leave Pharo and I will leave. I
can tell you.
I think that I need a break in my life in this moment so it would be
a good opportunity.
Because if each time I do something to improve the wealth and
visibility of our system
I get such kind of feedback then may be this is the time to do
something.
Afterall I may be wrong.
Seriously if you think that I'm not doing a good job and you want to
stay with old friends
just let me know. but if I stay then do not tell me that I'm an
asshole that does not want to
promote smalltalk.
I do not blame you. I am offended by Pharo disavowing the Smalltalk
name. I am offended when people state Pharo is not Smalltalk. I want
to refute false assumptions about the name Smalltalk, such as the
equating it with cobol. Instead of taking it personally why don't you
address my points about older programming languages whose
names (AFAICT) are not perceived negatively?
I support this community and am excited to participate in it. I
admire and respect your efforts, Stéphane, in developing, organizing
and supporting this community. But that does not mean I will keep
quiet about something I profoundly disagree with and think is wrong.
And that thing is to deny Pharo is Smalltalk.
And I do this not because I am a zealot, but because words meaning are
important, because to understand each other we should call a spade a
spade, and because I am grateful for and delighted by this thing
called Smalltalk, and I will not support taking credit away from it.
Ruby is inspired by Smalltalk. Pharo is the real thing.
Stef
Le 5/3/16 02:18, Eliot Miranda a écrit :
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 12:08 PM, stepharo <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
SciPharo? Not so great news from my POV.
What is so much pharo specific in this library?
Is Smalltalk scientific community large enough for yet another
split?
Split of what? Let us be tagged with a name of 1980 and die in
peace. Yes this looks like a
smart move.
There are just Python and R and Javascript around (not talking
about ruby and swift)
so this is a great move. We are not the cobol of object-oriented
programming!!
When I read sentiments like this it makes me want to leave the
community. I find it so offensive that the Pharo community uses
Smalltalk but wants to distance itself. It feels like theft or
massive disrespect for the inventors of the language, or a complete
lack of gratitude.
C is older than Smalltalk and no one says "C is the cobol of
low-level imperative languages". List is much older than C but no
one wants to rename Lisp because it is perceived as old.
Smalltalk is a beautiful name, carefully chosen to differentiate and
identify the system as different, not arrogant, not hieroglyphic.
Further, Smalltalkl /is/ different and distinctive materially. Why
anyone would be ashamed of that incredible heritage and pervasive
influence is beyond me.
Offended,
Eliot
