Hi norbert
I think that the board should not be really active right now.
But may be there will be time where we will need to take decisions.
My take on that is that I would like to have a really transparent
process
similar to what we are doing now:
- emails in the mailing-list,
- nice exchange (as for the stream discussions),
- seriously I do not have any preconceived ideas (even on namespace -
ok on
namespace I have some ideas :)),
We want to be influenced by contributing people.
Tthe point is that **we** the list active members can take decision and
that in case of deadlock the board can give us some way to take
decision.
For the fact that this is early or not, I do not know, I'm more
lenient :)
so I thought let it go for after, other boarders saw it in another way
and this
was ok for me too.
At the end, I'm **happy** (in the naive sense) because I do not want
pharo to
be my project. I want pharo to be **our** project. But we need to be
able to
take decisions and build a vision. So this is why I accepted the idea
of the board.
May be we should discussed it publicly but this was really simple.
Here is the two emails.
First email:
"Now, I think we should also start thinking about how to manage Pharo
to not drift
into the same problems like with Squeak. I here primarily think about
decision making.
Who holds the keys and has the power to take final decisions? Do we
have a board and
if yes how does it constitute itself or is there just Stef as a
dictator ;)
(which may be just fine too)?"
I said that I wanted to have a board (for the reasons I explained
above).
Second email:
Hi Mike,
Stef, Marcus and I have been discussing about instantiating a board
for Pharo and thought about asking you to join.
The idea is that the board is not elected but works by "co-optation",
meaning the board decides who can join or not.
It probably goes without saying that a board that can efficiently take
decisions is critical if we do not want to get into
a situation again where different interests block everything ;).
I think at moment Stef is the "owner" of Pharo and he creates this
board now -- so this should not be understood
as an unfriendly act by the current participants.
What do you think?
Adrian
Now about the board members:
- Marcus knows much more than me about Smalltalk :)
- Mike is from industry and we share a common vision (iSqueak,
YSqueak...)
- Adrian is running business and academic, so Smalltalk is central
for him
Now 4 is not a good number for taking decision so we will see, when we
will
need to fix that.
I sincerly hope that you understand us. For me, it does not change
anything
to the vision, motivation..... This is just to protect ourselves because
we got burnt. Now we do not have have an internal mailing-list.
Stef
Hi,
that is very very early for the installation of a "board". What
are the topics only a board can do? I think at this stage of project
existence it should be a goal to involve everyone participating as
much as possible. And I doubt the installation of a board supports
this. I think you first need a community that you want to "steer".
I have the impression we really should care about transparency.
Announcing a board and a board "model" without any prior
announcement or
discussion is not very sensible to other people involved.
I can live with this board but e.g. I want to know what/where put
Marcus and Michael in charge? Both are rather absent from this list
and Marcus is "recovering slowly". If there were any decisions that
must have been made while meeting in personal or by private email.
That's what I mean. Please correct me if I missed something important.
Maybe it is just whining from my site and not worth it. But I'm really
sensible to such things and I (too) must organize very well where to
spend my spare time.
Norbert
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 09:30 +0200, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Hello everybody
We are happy to announce a board for Pharo! So far, Pharo has mainly
been "directed" by Stef who initiated
the project. Now that the community grows and Pharo makes progress,
the board will bring some more
structure into the decision making process.
We don't have bylaws or any rules written down yet but the idea is to
run it similar to the Apache board. That
is, new board members are elected by existing board members. The
rational is that we want to assure continuity
to be able to steadily push Pharo forward.
The current board members are:
- Marcus Denker
- Stefane Ducasse
- Adrian Lienhard
- Michael Rueger
Stef
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