yeap!
On Jul 18, 2008, at 1:02 AM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Adrian,
I reserve the right to turn on you without notice<g>, but I see this
as
positive. I am also glad you pointed out the problems with mob rule
in
the Squeak Community - that way, I didn't have to do it first. I was
considering Stef to chair a default "board" from the beginning, so
making it explicit is fine by me.
By all means, ditch Etoys, but we should also not obstruct efforts to
make it re-loadable, provided that can be done w/o excessive cruft in
the image. Deciding what is an acceptable tradeoff between a clean
system and an inclusive one requires some authority that must be
excercised wisely. Stick to a clean Smalltalk that can be a base for
anything from stable products to bleeding edge experiments, and things
should go well.
Bill
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Hi Norbert,
I can understand your concerns. It may look a bit like the announced
board members take over without being based on the community. Of
course there is no such intent and I think the processes should be
transparent and the interests of the community should always be taken
into account. Yet, we intentionally chose not to do a democratic setup
because of the negative experience we made with Squeak and its
SqueakFoundation. The democratic setup and a board that didn't
actively steer the direction of development and make decisions
paralyzed the community because of the too diverging interests.
This situation eventually lead to the decision to start Pharo.
Therefore, we really want to make sure that we do not do the same
mistakes again. And this is exactly also why I think its important to
instantiate a board as early as possible. If we wait until a lot of
people have joined (and I can imagine that this will happen as there
does not seem to be much progress in Squeak right now), the risk is
that we again loose our focus. Just to give an example: even if people
come to Pharo and use it for EToys, I still want to be able to remove
it.
You ask why Marcus and Mike? On the one hand, both bring a lot of
experience from managing previous Squeak releases (3.8 and 3.9) and
both have a deep know-how from being actively involved in Squeak for
many years. On the other hand, with Mike we have another guy from
industry, so we have a balance between academia and industry (although
I'm also involved in research with my PhD, I consider myself as an
industry guy because netstyle.ch/cmsbox is the main reason I'm pushing
Pharo).
Cheers,
Adrian
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
University of Florida
Department of Anesthesiology
PO Box 100254
Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tel: (352) 846-1285
FAX: (352) 392-7029
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