Adrian, I reserve the right to turn on you without notice<g>, but I see this as positive. I am also glad you pointed out the problems with mob rule in the Squeak Community - that way, I didn't have to do it first. I was considering Stef to chair a default "board" from the beginning, so making it explicit is fine by me.
By all means, ditch Etoys, but we should also not obstruct efforts to make it re-loadable, provided that can be done w/o excessive cruft in the image. Deciding what is an acceptable tradeoff between a clean system and an inclusive one requires some authority that must be excercised wisely. Stick to a clean Smalltalk that can be a base for anything from stable products to bleeding edge experiments, and things should go well. Bill ========================== [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Norbert, I can understand your concerns. It may look a bit like the announced board members take over without being based on the community. Of course there is no such intent and I think the processes should be transparent and the interests of the community should always be taken into account. Yet, we intentionally chose not to do a democratic setup because of the negative experience we made with Squeak and its SqueakFoundation. The democratic setup and a board that didn't actively steer the direction of development and make decisions paralyzed the community because of the too diverging interests. This situation eventually lead to the decision to start Pharo. Therefore, we really want to make sure that we do not do the same mistakes again. And this is exactly also why I think its important to instantiate a board as early as possible. If we wait until a lot of people have joined (and I can imagine that this will happen as there does not seem to be much progress in Squeak right now), the risk is that we again loose our focus. Just to give an example: even if people come to Pharo and use it for EToys, I still want to be able to remove it. You ask why Marcus and Mike? On the one hand, both bring a lot of experience from managing previous Squeak releases (3.8 and 3.9) and both have a deep know-how from being actively involved in Squeak for many years. On the other hand, with Mike we have another guy from industry, so we have a balance between academia and industry (although I'm also involved in research with my PhD, I consider myself as an industry guy because netstyle.ch/cmsbox is the main reason I'm pushing Pharo). Cheers, Adrian Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
