Stef, If you need a break from the noise, I would probably encourage you to "take a vacation" from Squeak rather than to "quit." I still wonder whether I have found everything that was said, which I mention only to excuse myself if I'm missing something important.
My sense is that Matthew is doing the right thing, with the best of intentions, but might be trying it too soon. Either way, I think the major flaw in Squeak's evolution has been a desire to control others: "you can't do that because I think it's ugly." Pharo, in large part thanks to the efforts of Pinesoft, is allowing meaningful themes/policies to be applied to the GUI. Other problems in Squeak (underscores, FFI) can be traced back to obstruction. Pharo is establishing a spirit of finding the common problem and solving it such that we can all have what we want. Should Smalltalk contain a GUI? I think the answer is an emphatic yes. That GUI should be willing to go away in application (I really like Dolphin's session managers in this context), but it should be there, and should serve its master, which means it must be flexible. We are well on the way to that goal. Since I brought them up, hijacking underscores was in fact a way to get single-key assignment; an editor option would have provided the functionality while avoiding the whole mess. I recently learned (here) that FFI can be easily and reliably controlled via command line options, which would be a better solution than leaving it out and hoping the VM does not see a plugin. There are no doubt more examples, and the list will grow. As Gandhi put it, "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." Some of those pressuring you have probably just moved on from ridicule. Making Pharo the best it can be will be a win for everyone, even if some do not see it that way at the time. Thanks for doing this! Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:29 PM To: Pharo Development Subject: [Pharo-project] A point a.k.a excuse to you Hi guys I probably should not have forwarded to you the email I replied to matthew but I was thinking that other people can know that I was personally touched by the situation in Squeak. I'm sorry about. We got a lot of bird names and others. Recently somebody was implying that marcus was bashing squeak because he sent an email on the pharo mailing-list stating that the situation for keyboard was worse in squeak. I'm fed up. I'm interested in pharo because I want to create free and good energy. We did a lot in the past and I want to continue. Now I unregistered from the squeak mailing-list and I will not justify anymore why I quit. Now I want pharo to be cool. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
