>> Let me apologize on behalf of the squeak-dev community. Not all > of us feel so harshly toward you, but I did not speak up enough to > convince you of our appreciation. You deserve better, and I'm > sorry we did not deliver it.
Don't worry. I did not react because of harsh statements. I reacted because I could send your email while I should not and this indicating me that I was influenced by my reading on squeak-dev (you see this was meta). We have been there and we know what it is. >> Making Pharo the best it can be will be a win for everyone, even if >> some do not see it that way at the time. > > I plan to work with Pharo soon, probably once summer starts and > school is out, to get Keith's tools debugged and working in the > context of Pharo, especially Monticello 1.6 (My patches to MC1.5 > to enable real atomic loading (= no more problems upgrading > Polymorph), and Bob (the automated image builder and regression > tester). > > I know this is deep stuff, but I believe an automated image > builder will have several advantages, both for you, as Pharo > developers, and for me, as an enthusiast for cross-squeak > compatibility: > - making releases is faster > - Regression bugs are caught faster > - the scripts serve as poor-man's code sharing between squeak > distributions until we have real package-level sharing of core > code between core Yes we know. BTW matthew could you run SmallLint on Installer. I was thinking to do that and fix what I could. May be we could pair on this one. > You may or may not know, but I am a core Cobalt developer, and I > hope to bring Pharo and Cobalt much closer together. These two > projects are hosting many core changes to the image, with little > regard to backward compatibility. We may even get tweak to the > level where it is a compelling replacement for Morphic, and I > want Pharo to benefit from that if it does indeed happen. Too > many improvements to Squeak happen in the dark (Newspeak, > Spoon), and we can ill afford to estrange the truly open > projects from each other (Pharo and Cobalt, IMO). Cobalt is the open version of Croquet? You are working with Julian? We would be happy to evaluate changes made in Cobalt and retrofit them into pharo. Now for Tweak this is another story. >> Thanks for doing this! > > Yes, thank you Stef and Marcus for rekindling the passion for > Smalltalk in many people. With luck, squeak.org may be a free, > open, and useful product again. Too long has it been stuck, with > nobody to bring it forward. Pharo has done much to re-awaken the > love of smalltalk in many people, and that, if nothing else, is > a gift beyond measure. As Squeak.org release team leader, you > have my goodwill and my support. I will do what I can to spread > the gifts of your efforts to the rest of squeak, and bring their > efforts to you. > > -- > Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
