There is almost no traffic on the croquet mailing-list (user+dev) since months ... There seems to be more activity in the OpenCobalt web site : http://opencobalt.org/
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K<[email protected]> wrote: > Aside from > > http://www.duke.edu/~julian/Cobalt/Foundational_Technology_files/logo_smalltalk_med.png > > which strikes me as surpising[*] coming from Smalltalkers, I do not see them > running away from Smalltalk. > > Could it simply be that nobody wanted a 3D OS (Croquet), and that a > conferencing tool (Qwaq) seemed viable? I still think Croquet would have > been more useful had the 3D rendering system been made more readily reusable, > so that one could easily drop a 3D world into a windowed program vs. finding > that "we're not in Kansas anymore." Retained mode 3D can be a good thing. > Tweak was a mistake too. > > So far at least, Cobalt appears to be delivering Squeak images, so perhaps > this is not a huge slap in the face. My big concern now is for the future of > Cog. Any ideas? Eliot seems to be telling us we're going to have a nice > Christmas, JIT wise. Here's hoping he is correct. > > Bill > > [*] the capitalization is off and there are no connections with the "brand." > It is unusual, perhaps even arguably disrespectful to Smalltalk's origins. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcus > Denker > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:50 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Croquet - was Sideways marketing of pharo, > seaside, etc. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K<[email protected]> > wrote: >> Stef, >> >> I don't dispute it, but what is this about Croquet being dead? >> > > For one, the page > > http://www.duke.edu/~julian/Cobalt/About.html you can read: > *Croquet is no longer under active development > > And the http://opencroquet.org/ site seems to be not actively maintained. > Last news from 2008, all about cobalt. I don't see any that anyone actually > claims to be a member of the consortium, either. > > Not much happening in Cobalt, it seems. I actually wonder if they have anyone > on the team with advanced technical knowledge about the deep inner working of > Croquet or even just the Squeak parts. > > All very strange.... I am happy that I am not involved in it or the politics > around all this. > Looks all very ugly to me. > > Marcus > > >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Stéphane Ducasse >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:22 AM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Sideways marketing of pharo, seaside, etc. >> >> >> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:39 AM, Lawson English wrote: >> >>> Hey all, I'm in one of my manic brainstorming moods and whilest I'm >>> working on a baby interface between Second Life and Squeak, it dawns >>> on me that there is a huge potential for evangelicalism on your part >>> here: >>> One of hte myriad complains Second LIfe power users have is that the >>> build-in programming tools are extremely limited. There are numerous >>> options for plugins as with Eclipse and emacs (I believe) but they >>> all run as standalone tools with no easy integration with the 3D >>> virtual world experience, which is hte main reason why people bother >>> to script things in SL in the first place: they have interactive >>> feedback with potentialky thousands of other people. >>> >>> The point being that seaside runs just fine on localhost and the >>> builtin SL browser works just fine with everything seaside I have >>> tested. >> >> what do you mean by the previous sentence? >> >>> If someone wanted to entice potentially 100,000 Second LIfe users to >>> install seaside, implementing a nice LSL scripting interface in a >>> seaside webpage, complete with syntax coloring, databases of scripts, >>> version control, etc etc, would go a long way toards convincing the >>> Second Life powerusers, at least, that seaside is a worthwhile >>> install. >>> >>> If/when I get my interface to the client-server packets proxy >>> working, one could see potential for many more elaborate uses for >>> squeak/ seaside and Second LIfe. >> >> Keep us informed it looks exciting. >> >>> (interop between SL and Cobalt/Croquet is left as an exercise for the >>> reader ;-)) >> >> I thought Croquet was dead as an open-source project. >> >>> Anyway, if someone with a talent for writing editor code wanted to >>> look at the existing external LSL scripting editors and port >>> something to squeak for use on a webpage in seaside, I can almost >>> promise you that squeak/seaside useage would go up by a huge, HUGE >>> factor. Such a project is beyond me, personally due to my lack of >>> formal education, etc., but it should be a worthy project for anyone >>> wishing to promote seaside/smalltalk use. >> >> May be this is a nice job for helvetia. Lukas? >> mixing SL in Smalltalk :) >> >>> Feel free to ask any questions, privately if appropriate. >>> >>> Lawson English LEnglish5 (at) cox [dot] net Saijanai Kuhn in Second >>> Life >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > -- > Marcus Denker -- [email protected] > http://www.marcusdenker.de > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/ _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
