Torsten, I understand your comment wasn't against Pharo in general but still I think arguments like this do not help in finding the best solution, which is what we should strive for.
The rationale for moving the help menu was basically what I said before - it was a single lonely item inside a submenu (we didn't know that Pharo adds more submenus so this point only holds for PharoCore) - the help browser does not provide (much) content yet and hence is of no big help at the moment My current point of view is that since we don't have a helpful help system (yet) it is not really important that the help menu is at the top level. But since a couple of people strongly argue for putting the help back into the main menu I'm also ok with reverting the change. On another note, I don't agree with you that we should not move menus around. If I hadn't carefully reorganized the menus of Pharo two years ago, our menus would still be the same mess as in a previous Squeak version. Of course stability is good, but it should not hinder us to clean up and optimize. Moving a menu item to a better place may be annoying at first but is quickly amortized. Cheers, Adrian On Jun 14, 2010, at 16:43 , Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Hi Stef, > >> do you think that all the good energy that we put on pharo can be summarized >> >that way? > > No, why do you think so? Please dont get off-topic. We talk > about a menu here - nobody lamented about Pharo in general. > Please reread what I wrote: > > "Moving menues around is throwing eggs onto you end users" > > I think it was clear from my mail that moving KNOWN menues > around from time to time is IMHO a bad idea. Maybe you disagree, > but I'm still keep this opinion. > > So I dislike the idea of leaving it for now and MOVE the Help > menu LATER (as Adrian suggested) since this is what confuses people, > especially since user help is something really important. > > We can discuss it now, keep it or fix it. So we can avoid that > moving menues from time to time will lead to irritation. > >> We waited a bit until we got more convinced that we should move it > > Second time you write "we". For me it is still not clear who > discussed it (you and Adrian?) and where and which arguments lead > to the decision. Please tell us so we can also understand your point of view. > > Thx > T. > > > -- > GMX DSL: Internet-, Telefon- und Handy-Flat ab 19,99 EUR/mtl. > Bis zu 150 EUR Startguthaben inklusive! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
