Igor, My perceived experience in project we used freshmen from a University to work in Smalltalk for the Spatmas platform, was a little different.
The persons needed about the same than the Java colleagues (which worked in a complimentary part of the project) to become proficient and productive in Smalltalk. We Smalltalkers take sometimes at face value certain things that clash in real world: the famous simplicity of the syntax (which Stef's famous postcard example) of Smalltalk is completely flared by the overwhelming complexity of the class libraries. Contrary to current belief, out of the core libraries (specially the Collection hierarchy) most of the remaining packages are not that elegant or orthogonal enough to preclude the need for digging and learning from experience, which takes as much time as any other language. As soon we get at the need to build production grade systems, we find Smalltalks advantages are not enough to make us stand out of the crowd. my 0.019999... -- Cesar Rabak Em 06/12/2010 10:44, Igor Stasenko < [email protected] > escreveu: On 6 December 2010 13:38, Guillermo Polito wrote: > JAjajaja, > > It's not that Indexes are not trustable... They are measured in a way > Smalltalk will never be recognized as popular: > > - searches in yahoo > - open source projects in some webs > - people asking for job > > The only one that surprized me is the book's one. But > 1) the data is not taken from amazon and I don't know this Powell's Books > library :P. > 2) It's true that there is a stupid amount of java, c#, c++ books... > i think there is a lot of books because they are very complex ones :) for a smalltalk, you need just one book, and .. whooop .. you know it after few days of study. For C++ or Java it takes couple of months to learn all this stuff.. > Maybe we can think a not so stupid index. > > Cheers > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:12 AM, laurent laffont > wrote: >> >> And I've just seen the bottom of the message :), it >> seems http://langpop.com/ agree with TIOBE. >> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:09 AM, laurent laffont >> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:51 AM, James Ladd >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> While pleading for Smalltalk support with a developer from a popular and >>>> great IDE company, I got the >>>> >>>> following response (below) >>>> >>>> Is there anything I can do/show to prove or disprove the popularity of >>>> Smalltalk? >>> >>> According to TIOBE, Smalltalk is as popular as Erlang and more popular >>> than Scala http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >>> But that's only numbers and I don't trust it :) >>> May be your developer from a "popular" IDE company should define what >>> "popular" means... >>> Laurent >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Rgs, James. >>>> >>>> >>Hello James. >>>> >>>> >>About Smalltalk plugin. Weel, I’m not sure Smalltalk has a big >>>> >> audience now. I’ve never heard about commercial products based on >>>> >> Smalltalk. >>>> >>Here, some statistics http://langpop.com/ >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
