Stéphane, I don't perceived Leventes email to be aggressive at all (in contrast to yours), but only to correct some false assumptions providing hard facts. If the Pharo community honestly believes that it is an open and friendly community, then there should be no problem with posts to the this mailinglist trying to provide some facts and not chiming in to any chorus.
Just let me say that it doesn't serve Pharo well to say that something else lacks some features or is bad in many ways. That won't make Pharo any better. Emphasize on the great things Pharo has to offer by itself (and I believe that there are many). I think this would better suit Pharos vision. BTW, thanks Levente for the dates. There should be definitely some google timeline [1] where we could maintain the smalltalk milestones of the past. Jingle, Alex [1] Example http://simile-widgets.googlecode.com/svn/timeline/tags/latest/src/webapp/examples/religions/christianity.html 2010/12/22 Stéphane Ducasse <[email protected]> > Hi levente, > > after your mails some people sent me private mails because they did not > feel well. They wondered why people were sending mails against pharo in this > mailing-list while they do not send aggressive mails in squeak. > I can understand them. Now I think that this is ok that you send the mails > you want, > you can send your feelings here, even if this is not that positive :). > Kicks in the ass is always a feedback and we can make progress. > I always appreciated your benchmarks and precise remarks. I liked (and I > told you publicly) that you always replied to my mails about your changes in > squeak. I can understand your frustration (I have been there for years > trying to move squeak - again we did not do pharo for an ego problem - I > cannot tell the number of students that looked at me like I was an idiot to > use a system with all the colors and messy menus). We do pharo to build an > ecosystem where people can expand, create cool ideas and make money to live > from them. > What is wrong with that? > > Now do not play pharo against squeak, it will not work on the mid term and > this is not fun for everybody. I would love that Squeak builds its own real > vision: for example been a real multimedia platform. We could have a lot of > fun. Now I think that except a miracle this will not happen: after 10 years, > squeak failed to go to the next level - I wanted everything and more Cairo, > Zoomable interface, crazy ideas and all the rest - I was a big fan of Sophie > (I can tell you that I was a bit fucked by some bulgarian people on that > level trying to support Squeak and sophie there) and other impara tools. Now > impara failed to make squeak sexy and them the center of the universe - They > could have but may be they did not have the vision to be something else than > building tools for alan. Anyway this is life. Now I wonder why you get > stuck in Squeak you are welcome in Pharo. May be Squeak fits your vision and > spirit but I do not understand what we are doing wrong so that you are mad > against us. > > Stef >
