+1 2011/8/31 Dale Henrichs <[email protected]>: > There were some Metacello performance issues that popped up when using the > MetacelloBrowser, so I was reluctant to publicize the MetacelloBrowser until > the issues were resolved. While working on tODE, I isolated and fixed the > performance issues, so the next release of Metacello (soonish) will have > fixes for the performance issues and then the MetacelloBrowser will be ready > to be used ... it does need some GUI polish ... > > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Alexandre Bergel" <[email protected]> > | To: [email protected] > | Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:02:55 PM > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] PLEASE HELP testing Pharo 1.3 > One Click [WAS] Pharo 1.3 release > | > | Dale and I worked on the MetacelloBrowser. I believe the UI needs to > | be polished. Probably having something based on Glamour would cool > | to have. > | I worked on Versionner because I just need a commit button. > | > | Cheers, > | Alexandre > | > | > | On 31 Aug 2011, at 17:57, Igor Stasenko wrote: > | > | > is it just me, or there are more people who know nothing about it? > | > > | > i know how to do a parallel programs, > | > but i have no means to know what happens in parallel to my little > | > universe unless i can read it from some well known source :) > | > > | > On 31 August 2011 23:46, Alexandre Bergel <[email protected]> > | > wrote: > | > :-) > | > I use Versionner for simple case and the MetacelloBrowser for more > | > complicated stuff. > | > Check at the screenshot. You see, there is a commit button :-) It > | > saves all the dependent packages, create a new version, ask you > | > for the comment, and save the config. I rarely use the Monticello > | > browser actually. > | > > | > <Screen Shot 2011-08-31 at 17.24.53.png> > | > > | > Cheers, > | > Alexandre > | > > | > > | > On 31 Aug 2011, at 17:23, Igor Stasenko wrote: > | > > | >> On 31 August 2011 23:19, Alexandre Bergel > | >> <[email protected]> wrote: > | >>>> For development configuration is useless and just time sink. > | >>> > | >>> I strongly disagree. Metacello was sold to please users. > | >>> Actually, I use it for me, the developper. I create a new > | >>> version at each commit. It works wonderfully. > | >>> > | >> > | >> sorry, but if during development you need to do 2 commits of 20 > | >> packages , calculate how much time it would take for you to > | >> manuallly update a configuration for each update. > | >> it is time sink. > | >> > | >> if you do that once per day, its okay.. but for every commit . no. > | >> its > | >> is absurd. > | >> > | >>> Alexandre > | >>> > | >>> > | >>>> But for release it has completely different purpose: it helps us > | >>>> to > | >>>> identify what exactly and what version of it will be put in > | >>>> final > | >>>> version. And gives a simple and concrete answer how to reproduce > | >>>> it, > | >>>> in case of need. > | >>>> Since we're are talking about release, i don't see how we could > | >>>> do > | >>>> that without configurations. > | >>>> > | >>>> Yes, sure it could be done manually to manifest all packages and > | >>>> their > | >>>> version(s) included into release, but it still means that > | >>>> someone has to do it one way or another. > | >>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> On 31 August 2011 23:03, Stéphane Ducasse > | >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > | >>>>> Marcus > | >>>>> > | >>>>> We only do what is possible :) > | >>>>> > | >>>>> - for the configurations of let us take what exist. We > | >>>>> cannot control everything. I do not have the time and > | >>>>> knowledge for that. > | >>>>> Lukas decided that configurations are evil. Ok perfect > | >>>>> now we fix them when we know what should be loaded. > | >>>>> > | >>>>> - Then for example to integrate the broken highlight I > | >>>>> need the code first. I still do not know which slice to > | >>>>> load in 1.3. > | >>>>> Two days ago I spent time on it loading the wrong slice. > | >>>>> So I decided that I will not stress. > | >>>>> > | >>>>> So we will fix that either in 1.3 or in 1.4 as time allows it. > | >>>>> And more more important: no stress we are payed enough to > | >>>>> stress and do stuff that hurts us. > | >>>>> > | >>>>> Stef > | >>>>> > | >>>>>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>>> The image contains outdated versions of RB and OB that miss > | >>>>>>> some > | >>>>>>> critical fixes. > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>> How can I know? > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>> It is is build using the latest MetaCello config... if the > | >>>>>> config needs to be updated, > | >>>>>> it needs to be updated. It does not happen by itself. > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>>> Also there some proposed fixes don't seem to be > | >>>>>>> included > | >>>>>>> <http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?q=milestone%3D1.3> > | >>>>>>> yet? > | >>>>>>> > | >>>>>> No... I have not yet found the energy to do that. > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>> Marcus > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>> -- > | >>>>>> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > | >>>>>> > | >>>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> -- > | >>>> Best regards, > | >>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > | >>>> > | >>> > | >>> -- > | >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > | >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > | >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> -- > | >> Best regards, > | >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > | >> > | > > | > -- > | > > | > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > | > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > | > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > -- > | > Best regards, > | > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > | > | -- > | _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > | Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > | ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > >
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