On 2012-03-09, at 17:11, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Hi Stefan, > > I'm not sure if it is a killer app that is required to get more > visibility for Pharo or a better adoption of Smalltalk. > > We already have nice open-source apps ranging from Seaside, Pier, > Moose, Swiki, ... up to other Smalltalk apps that are sucessfull > also in business life. > > Look at JPMorgans Kapital project done in VW, other big Smalltalk > projects or the Pharo success stories [2] meanwhile known to the world. > Still Smalltalk is very unknown among developers ...
we need visibility... the image as a sole source does not help here, most programmers like files and scripts and their common editors :) - use common tools (github for instance will be available soon on Pharo) - get indexable documentation (google doesn't seem to like squeaksource that much) :) - we need better system integration (accessing ENV vars and program args is still a bit messy in Pharo) - we need an embeddable VM (I guess that is also on the way :)) > I agree with Dave Thomas who said that the object abstraction is too > complex for the majority of programmers. [1] > Most people are happy with (boring) CRUD applications and > I doubt a killer app implemented in Smalltalk will change this. > Most of them see no need for switching from Java, C#, ... look at ruby with ruby on rails, people seem to like it despite the heavy meta programming used in it => we need a decent scripting api (almost there with coral) > Not that I would not want to see Trac/Bugzilla/... one-click replacements > done in Smalltalk - but building them will eat up our resources to build > something that should be even better than current Smalltalks. that might be true, but looking at pharo I seem we still lack some basic tools of a modern programming language. However we made a massive progress over the last years ;) > I doubt that Pharo will become the "next big thing". I'm not > sad about that since most hype technologies will easily fade away > when the next hype comes up. > > Maybe you remember auctomatic.com - these guys have built an app > with Seaside and sold the company for lots of money. So it must > have been a killer app. > > One of them (Patrick) shares some nice thoughts on his > page [3] - if you replace "auctomatic" with Pharo and "ebay" > with one of the mainstream technologies like Java it is an > interesting guide for a future of Pharo too. > Especially regarding internationalization which is I think > an interesting area to get more people into Smalltalk. > > Bye > Torsten > > > [1] http://smalltalk-bob.blogspot.com/2012/03/who-needs-objects.html > [2] http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories > [3] http://patrickcollison.com/blog/2009/10/surprises > > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >
