On 9 March 2012 18:49, Camillo Bruni <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 2012-03-09, at 17:11, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > >> Hi Stefan, >> >> I'm not sure if it is a killer app that is required to get more >> visibility for Pharo or a better adoption of Smalltalk. >> >> We already have nice open-source apps ranging from Seaside, Pier, >> Moose, Swiki, ... up to other Smalltalk apps that are sucessfull >> also in business life. >> >> Look at JPMorgans Kapital project done in VW, other big Smalltalk >> projects or the Pharo success stories [2] meanwhile known to the world. >> Still Smalltalk is very unknown among developers ... > > we need visibility... the image as a sole source does not help here, > most programmers like files and scripts and their common editors :) > every time i hear sentences about "my favorite editor" i thinking about creating a new text editor project and with a name "WriteOwn". WriteOwn text editor.
> - use common tools (github for instance will be available soon on Pharo) > - get indexable documentation (google doesn't seem to like squeaksource that > much) :) > - we need better system integration (accessing ENV vars and program args is > still a bit messy in Pharo) > - we need an embeddable VM (I guess that is also on the way :)) > >> I agree with Dave Thomas who said that the object abstraction is too >> complex for the majority of programmers. [1] >> Most people are happy with (boring) CRUD applications and >> I doubt a killer app implemented in Smalltalk will change this. >> Most of them see no need for switching from Java, C#, ... > > look at ruby with ruby on rails, people seem to like it despite the heavy > meta programming used in it > > => we need a decent scripting api (almost there with coral) > >> Not that I would not want to see Trac/Bugzilla/... one-click replacements >> done in Smalltalk - but building them will eat up our resources to build >> something that should be even better than current Smalltalks. > > that might be true, but looking at pharo I seem we still lack some > basic tools of a modern programming language. However we made a massive > progress over the last years ;) > >> I doubt that Pharo will become the "next big thing". I'm not >> sad about that since most hype technologies will easily fade away >> when the next hype comes up. >> >> Maybe you remember auctomatic.com - these guys have built an app >> with Seaside and sold the company for lots of money. So it must >> have been a killer app. >> >> One of them (Patrick) shares some nice thoughts on his >> page [3] - if you replace "auctomatic" with Pharo and "ebay" >> with one of the mainstream technologies like Java it is an >> interesting guide for a future of Pharo too. >> Especially regarding internationalization which is I think >> an interesting area to get more people into Smalltalk. >> >> Bye >> Torsten >> >> >> [1] http://smalltalk-bob.blogspot.com/2012/03/who-needs-objects.html >> [2] http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories >> [3] http://patrickcollison.com/blog/2009/10/surprises >> >> -- >> Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir >> belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
