Well... the "FD affaire" was discussed in this list like 6 months ago, and that was the path we choose: to put the ObsoletePackages into a "graveyard" repository, so people willing to use it can load and be happy with that. The path you suggested was analyzed (and discarded) at the time because it introduces a certain level of work, even if placed on "obsolete", and we choose to use that effort into make the new things work properly. So, yes... we hear "our customers", but we also have an opinion and we try to do what we think is the better option. To hear does not means "to accept" just like that... Also, are you going to tell me than ask for install a package if you want it is "too much effort"
I do want a professional product, but that takes time, effort and some level of acceptance than things needs to be changed to drop old/obsolete stuff... Also, about PR... yes, we all need a better level of communication, but in this case, we actually provided a migration path. And ok, is not what you would do, but now I ask you to hear, and to write the Gofer script into your workspace :) Esteban On Dec 15, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Janko Mivšek <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dne 15. 12. 2012 12:46, piše Igor Stasenko: > >> Hold on.. Since when Pharo project became professional product? >> How much money you and others paying for using it? >> Yes, we position it as a product FOR professionals, >> but does it automatically makes a professional one? >> I don't think so. >> So, why you think that it is correct to put such requirements/expectations >> it? > > Let me explain what I meant by 'professional product'. Product for > professionals implies the characteristics of professional product. Even > if it is an open source one and partially paid by donations. One of the > main characteristic is a clear path of upgrading to a new version. > Another is a proper 'Customer Relationship Management'. > > BTW, ask Gemstone guys for help here, they are very good in migration > help to the new version and evolution to the new features. Not to > mention their amazing attitude to the customers. > > To conclude, a bit better PR would make wonders here. Sometimes we need > just to listen to our users even that we don't agree with them. Again > one of the characteristics of professional product behavior, like it or > not. > > Janko > > > -- > Janko Mivšek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si >
