On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:11 PM, jannik laval <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > 2013/1/30 Benjamin <[email protected]> > > > Ben > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:30 AM, jannik laval <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> 2013/1/30 Benjamin <[email protected]> >> >> >> Ben >> >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:03 AM, jannik laval <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Benjamin, >>> >>> I am trying to use Nautilus and going to Pharo 2.0 (I am using 20480). >>> I have some remarks about the usability of the tool. I think the idea is >>> cool and I begin to appreciate it. >>> >>> But, I have some problems: >>> >>> - When I am on a method and search senders (b,n). If there is only one >>> sender, another browser is opened focusing on the sender of the method. But >>> the method call is not highlighted. When I have to parse long methods, I >>> loose time. >> >> True :) >> >>> - About the keyboard shortcuts: please I need the same shortcuts >>> everywhere… Not everywhere because I know it takes time to do that. BUT >>> everywhere in nautilus itself. The shortcuts are not the same in the >>> sourcecode panel (old shortcuts) and in the list of entities (new >>> shortcuts). >>> As a user, I would like to have the possibility to disable the new >>> shortcuts to have the same shortcuts everywhere in my environment. >> >> It's implemented Nautilus side, but KeyBindings still need some love :) >> >>> >>> - About the package menu: >>> >there is too much items: 4 items to add package in groups is too much. I >>> >would prefer one item (add as group) and a menu More. >>> > Why is there a "Search code" in "rewrite code" item ? The name does not >>> > make sense. >> >> Probably comes from OB :) >> >> And should be changed. >> >> >>> > Create Slice should be in the DEBUG mode. Which could be disabled in the >>> > Settings. >> >> Debug mode ? Why ?? >> >> Or a different menu that is available for the core team or guys who need >> this feature. >> I do not use it even if I am in a pharo sprint. > > The browser is by nature a development tool :) > > Don't be stupid. You know what I want to say. I know, I was teasing you :) The goal behind, as Esteban said, is to help people who wants to participate, even for "stupid" fix, like a typo, a comment, or just a temp var renamed. We got the feeling that when we do such a fix, then we are "often" too lazy to open a bug entry, create a slice etc. Because indeed, the process is a bit too complex I think. My point of view is that we can't complain that people are not involved if we do not ease at maximum the way to do it :) > > >> >> >>> >>> - The "Show instance variables" and "Show class variables" does not show >>> the variables but the accessors to the variables, no ? >> >> Yes, as the other browsers did, but I can change the name ;) >> >> Yes please >> >> >>> >>> - Is it possible to have a popup on the icons in Nautilus. There is lots of >>> icons that I don't know what they mean. >> >> There are (or at least should, maybe a bug) >> >> There are only on active icons. The others have no information popup. >> >> >>> - It is the same for the color of classes and methods: Why are there >>> methods in gray ? classes in gray ? >> >> Extensions >> >> Thank you, but "in the browser" how can I know that ? >> >> >>> >>> - The command "edit a comment", which is a clickable icon, opens a new >>> window. I would prefer that it has the same behavior than the button >>> "Comments": opening the comments in the same browser. >> >> No, thanks to the popup and shortcuts, you can edit in a row a lot of >> classes very quickly >> >> Not agree. We have too much opened window, and when I write a comment, I >> want to write ONE and write it well. > > Take the first class to comment, > > start: press space > type your comment > save (cmd+s)(it closes the window) > press arrow down > goto: start > > Can't be faster :) > > You are right ! I am just surprised about that. > So this is not an issue :D :D > > >> >> >>> >>> - in the lists of the browser, I would like to select multiple packages >>> without using the mouse. Is it possible ? In all the browsers, the shift-up >>> and shift-down can do that. >> >> PluggableListMorph can't do that, but NewList can. >> >> Unfortunately, I think the integration will be in 3.0 >> >> ARGhhhh > > If you have time to make it work you are more than welcome > > I have the same problem as you: lake of time ! The same as every one I think ^^ That the major problem of open source communities :) > > >> >> >>> >>> - When I select multiple packages, the classes of all these packages should >>> appear. Not only the ones of the last selected package. >> >> There is a bug entry and discussion about that. Due to extension, it's quite >> complicated to due and raises some issues. >> >> >>> >>> - what does the locker means in the source code editor ? I understood that >>> the method cannot be modified… But I can, so I don't understand. >> >> It's a feature not yet really used. You can pin a text panel, and have >> multiples. We need to polish that as well :) >> >> It does not work fine. There are some UI issues (the top of the method is >> hidden because of the new buttons on the bottom of the window). If it is not >> used and polished, please remove it. > > I will try to make it work, but with the lectures, it's a bit complicated :S > >> >> >>> >>> - The history navigator is not shared between browsers. >> >> There is a bug entry for this >> >>> >>> That is a good beginning I think. >>> I give you my point of view as a user of the browser. This is the main tool >>> I am supposed to use in Pharo and I would like to not be frustrated using >>> it. >> >> You know I love feedback :) >> >> Thank you >> >> Do you know what I like more ? Bug entries :P >> >> Here, I am a user. I take time to send you a mail, and I don't want to take >> time to open bug entries. You can do it if you think the ideas are good. :P > > I though you was also part of the community :P > > A community is not a bug tracker but also all the communication around. > I just wanted to discuss and share my point of view. I know :) Again, I was teasing you :D ( and I know you do not like the issue tracker :P) I have not problem with opening bug entries from someone else mail ^^ Ben > > Now, I am not sure it was a good idea. > Be cool, guys ! > > Jannik > > > Ben > > >> >> Cheer, >> Jannik >> >> >> Thanks again >> Ben >> >> >>> >>> My 2 cents, >>> Jannik >>> >>> -- >>> ~~Dr. Jannik Laval~~ >>> École des Mines de Douai >>> Enseignant-chercheur >>> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ~~Dr. Jannik Laval~~ >> École des Mines de Douai >> Enseignant-chercheur >> http://www.jannik-laval.eu >> > > > > > -- > ~~Dr. Jannik Laval~~ > École des Mines de Douai > Enseignant-chercheur > http://www.jannik-laval.eu >
