2013/1/30 Benjamin <[email protected]> > On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:11 PM, jannik laval <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > 2013/1/30 Benjamin <[email protected]> > >> >> >> Ben >> >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:30 AM, jannik laval <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> 2013/1/30 Benjamin <[email protected]> >> >>> >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:03 AM, jannik laval <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Benjamin, >>> >>> I am trying to use Nautilus and going to Pharo 2.0 (I am using 20480). >>> I have some remarks about the usability of the tool. I think the idea is >>> cool and I begin to appreciate it. >>> >>> But, I have some problems: >>> >>> - When I am on a method and search senders (b,n). If there is only one >>> sender, another browser is opened focusing on the sender of the method. But >>> the method call is not highlighted. When I have to parse long methods, I >>> loose time. >>> >>> >>> True :) >>> >>> - About the keyboard shortcuts: please I need the same shortcuts >>> everywhere… Not everywhere because I know it takes time to do that. BUT >>> everywhere in nautilus itself. The shortcuts are not the same in the >>> sourcecode panel (old shortcuts) and in the list of entities (new >>> shortcuts). >>> As a user, I would like to have the possibility to disable the new >>> shortcuts to have the same shortcuts everywhere in my environment. >>> >>> >>> It's implemented Nautilus side, but KeyBindings still need some love :) >>> >>> >>> - About the package menu: >>> >there is too much items: 4 items to add package in groups is too much. >>> I would prefer one item (add as group) and a menu More. >>> > Why is there a "Search code" in "rewrite code" item ? The name does >>> not make sense. >>> >>> >>> Probably comes from OB :) >>> >> >> And should be changed. >> >> >>> >>> > Create Slice should be in the DEBUG mode. Which could be disabled in >>> the Settings. >>> >>> >>> Debug mode ? Why ?? >>> >> >> Or a different menu that is available for the core team or guys who need >> this feature. >> I do not use it even if I am in a pharo sprint. >> >> >> The browser is by nature a development tool :) >> > > Don't be stupid. You know what I want to say. > > > I know, I was teasing you :) > The goal behind, as Esteban said, is to help people who wants to > participate, even for "stupid" fix, like a typo, a comment, or just a temp > var renamed. > We got the feeling that when we do such a fix, then we are "often" too > lazy to open a bug entry, create a slice etc. Because indeed, the process > is a bit too complex I think. > > My point of view is that we can't complain that people are not involved if > we do not ease at maximum the way to do it :) > > > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - The "Show instance variables" and "Show class variables" does not show >>> the variables but the accessors to the variables, no ? >>> >>> >>> Yes, as the other browsers did, but I can change the name ;) >>> >> >> Yes please >> >> >>> >>> >>> - Is it possible to have a popup on the icons in Nautilus. There is lots >>> of icons that I don't know what they mean. >>> >>> >>> There are (or at least should, maybe a bug) >>> >> >> There are only on active icons. The others have no information popup. >> >> >>> >>> - It is the same for the color of classes and methods: Why are there >>> methods in gray ? classes in gray ? >>> >>> >>> Extensions >>> >> >> Thank you, but "in the browser" how can I know that ? >> >> >>> >>> >>> - The command "edit a comment", which is a clickable icon, opens a new >>> window. I would prefer that it has the same behavior than the button >>> "Comments": opening the comments in the same browser. >>> >>> >>> No, thanks to the popup and shortcuts, you can edit in a row a lot of >>> classes very quickly >>> >> >> Not agree. We have too much opened window, and when I write a comment, I >> want to write ONE and write it well. >> >> >> Take the first class to comment, >> >> start: press space >> type your comment >> save (cmd+s)(it closes the window) >> press arrow down >> goto: start >> >> Can't be faster :) >> > > You are right ! I am just surprised about that. > So this is not an issue :D > > > :D > > > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - in the lists of the browser, I would like to select multiple packages >>> without using the mouse. Is it possible ? In all the browsers, the shift-up >>> and shift-down can do that. >>> >>> >>> PluggableListMorph can't do that, but NewList can. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I think the integration will be in 3.0 >>> >> >> ARGhhhh >> >> >> If you have time to make it work you are more than welcome >> > > I have the same problem as you: lake of time ! > > > The same as every one I think ^^ That the major problem of open source > communities :) > > > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - When I select multiple packages, the classes of all these packages >>> should appear. Not only the ones of the last selected package. >>> >>> >>> There is a bug entry and discussion about that. Due to extension, it's >>> quite complicated to due and raises some issues. >>> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - what does the locker means in the source code editor ? I understood >>> that the method cannot be modified… But I can, so I don't understand. >>> >>> >>> It's a feature not yet really used. You can pin a text panel, and have >>> multiples. We need to polish that as well :) >>> >> >> It does not work fine. There are some UI issues (the top of the method is >> hidden because of the new buttons on the bottom of the window). If it is >> not used and polished, please remove it. >> >> >> I will try to make it work, but with the lectures, it's a bit complicated >> :S >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - The history navigator is not shared between browsers. >>> >>> >>> There is a bug entry for this >>> >>> >>> That is a good beginning I think. >>> I give you my point of view as a user of the browser. This is the main >>> tool I am supposed to use in Pharo and I would like to not be frustrated >>> using it. >>> >>> >>> You know I love feedback :) >>> >> >> Thank you >> >> >>> Do you know what I like more ? Bug entries :P >>> >> >> Here, I am a user. I take time to send you a mail, and I don't want to >> take time to open bug entries. You can do it if you think the ideas are >> good. :P >> >> >> I though you was also part of the community :P >> > > A community is not a bug tracker but also all the communication around. > I just wanted to discuss and share my point of view. > > > I know :) Again, I was teasing you :D ( and I know you do not like the > issue tracker :P) > > I have not problem with opening bug entries from someone else mail ^^ >
For sure, next time I will open a bug entry. On my todo list: Open a bug entry for Nautilus :DDD Cheers, Jannik > > Ben > > > Now, I am not sure it was a good idea. > Be cool, guys ! > > Jannik > > >> >> Ben >> >> >> >> Cheer, >> Jannik >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks again >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> >>> My 2 cents, >>> Jannik >>> >>>
