hi renee and all ebay has taken its share of low end machines with very high prices and the overly restored machines. the real nice ones still seem to make it to the show. a friend bought a very nice bgt from bill kocker in the back for a very fair price and i bought alot of 5000 blue amberols for under 5 dollars along with some rare early victor predog records for next to nothing for what they are worth the show changes from year to year so i know we dont get pleased every year because of our different interests. the one rare item there to see was the beat up graphaphone shaver which was on an auction site. someone paid over 7 k for that. and the oliphants had many nice machines too including some north american edison machines and early victors. happy collecting all rob From Phonofolks Thu Jun 17 12:20:57 2004 From: Phonofolks ([email protected]) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:44 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Union Disappointment Message-ID: <[email protected]>
This was my first time to union and found it most enjoyable. My wife and I bought a small group of records, but no machines. I was able to find more jazz and blues records at the Union than I can find here on the east coast at any of the east coast shows or other record swaps. Getting back to phonographs, if I was to buy a high quality machine in mint condition I would definitely purchase it at the Union show even if I had to pay premium. Why? Because mint original machines are hard to come by these days. I saw an Edison Opera for $9,000. Expensive, yes, but knowing that in a few years Operas will be commanding over $10,000, it caused me to think, especially when it came from a long time private collection and the condition was outstanding. Look at it this way; can you get $9,000 today for a dining room set which you purchased from Ethan Allen for $9,000 5 years ago? Probably not..you'll be lucky if you can get $5,000 for it. So I say grab it while you can. Even if you overpay for the phonograph initially, the machine will continue to increase in value and you will be happier in the long run. You are correct there weren't any really good cheap junkers at the Union show. You may have a better chance of finding junkers at some of the east coast shows. There are some east coast dealers who attend the east coast shows who just sell phonographs that need some TLC and parts to go along with it. Best of luck! Rick In a message dated 6/17/2004 2:15:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Phillip Sands <[email protected]> writes: > There was a lot of merchandise potentially available, >but all of >the disappointed sellers and buyers were huddling >under umbrellas wishing for suitable selling >weather.>> > >I did find one guy who had a trailer full of junkers, >Standards and Homes and Firesides that were missing >parts and had cracked lids and no cranks, dusty and >dirty. His prices were above retail for perfect >machines, it was ridiculous. $450 for a filthy 2min >Standard with missing lid veneer and no crank or belt? >I don't think so........ > ?You know who I mean, you were there.. > > > > > > > > >- > > > ? ? ? ? >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-l mailing list >[email protected] >http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com > From john9ten Thu Jun 17 13:48:18 2004 From: john9ten (john robles) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:44 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Union Disappointment In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Useful information, Rick. As someone who once worked in the investment field, I applaud your view on the future appreciation of phonographs. Antiques and collectibles are considered as appreciable assets in the investment industry when creating a portfolio. How often have we cringed at the price of a phonograph only to say a few years later, "If only I had bought it back then"... John [email protected] wrote: This was my first time to union and found it most enjoyable. My wife and I bought a small group of records, but no machines. I was able to find more jazz and blues records at the Union than I can find here on the east coast at any of the east coast shows or other record swaps. Getting back to phonographs, if I was to buy a high quality machine in mint condition I would definitely purchase it at the Union show even if I had to pay premium. Why? Because mint original machines are hard to come by these days. I saw an Edison Opera for $9,000. Expensive, yes, but knowing that in a few years Operas will be commanding over $10,000, it caused me to think, especially when it came from a long time private collection and the condition was outstanding. Look at it this way; can you get $9,000 today for a dining room set which you purchased from Ethan Allen for $9,000 5 years ago? Probably not..you'll be lucky if you can get $5,000 for it. So I say grab it while you can. Even if you overpay for the phonograph initially, the machine will continue to increase in value and you will be happier in the long run. You are correct there weren't any really good cheap junkers at the Union show. You may have a better chance of finding junkers at some of the east coast shows. There are some east coast dealers who attend the east coast shows who just sell phonographs that need some TLC and parts to go along with it. Best of luck! Rick In a message dated 6/17/2004 2:15:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Phillip Sands writes: > There was a lot of merchandise potentially available, >but all of >the disappointed sellers and buyers were huddling >under umbrellas wishing for suitable selling >weather.>> > >I did find one guy who had a trailer full of junkers, >Standards and Homes and Firesides that were missing >parts and had cracked lids and no cranks, dusty and >dirty. His prices were above retail for perfect >machines, it was ridiculous. $450 for a filthy 2min >Standard with missing lid veneer and no crank or belt? >I don't think so........ > You know who I mean, you were there.. > > > > > > > > >- > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-l mailing list >[email protected] >http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com > _______________________________________________ Phono-l mailing list [email protected] http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com From lherault Thu Jun 17 14:32:44 2004 From: lherault (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:44 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Union Disappointment In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I don't know if I got lucky or not but if I had put the $100 I spent on my Vic type 6 into a CD at 8% thirty years ago, I'd have less than $2000. I'm sure not all machines have appreciated as well as the 6 though. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of john robles Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 2:48 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Union Disappointment Useful information, Rick. As someone who once worked in the investment field, I applaud your view on the future appreciation of phonographs. Antiques and collectibles are considered as appreciable assets in the investment industry when creating a portfolio. How often have we cringed at the price of a phonograph only to say a few years later, "If only I had bought it back then"... John [email protected] wrote: This was my first time to union and found it most enjoyable. My wife and I bought a small group of records, but no machines. I was able to find more jazz and blues records at the Union than I can find here on the east coast at any of the east coast shows or other record swaps. Getting back to phonographs, if I was to buy a high quality machine in mint condition I would definitely purchase it at the Union show even if I had to pay premium. Why? Because mint original machines are hard to come by these days. I saw an Edison Opera for $9,000. Expensive, yes, but knowing that in a few years Operas will be commanding over $10,000, it caused me to think, especially when it came from a long time private collection and the condition was outstanding. Look at it this way; can you get $9,000 today for a dining room set which you purchased from Ethan Allen for $9,000 5 years ago? Probably not..you'll be lucky if you can get $5,000 for it. So I say grab it while you can. Even if you overp! ay for the phonograph initially, the machine will continue to increase in value and you will be happier in the long run. You are correct there weren't any really good cheap junkers at the Union show. You may have a better chance of finding junkers at some of the east coast shows. There are some east coast dealers who attend the east coast shows who just sell phonographs that need some TLC and parts to go along with it. Best of luck! Rick In a message dated 6/17/2004 2:15:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Phillip Sands writes: > There was a lot of merchandise potentially available, >but all of >the disappointed sellers and buyers were huddling >under umbrellas wishing for suitable selling >weather.>> > >I did find one guy who had a trailer full of junkers, >Standards and Homes and Firesides that were missing >parts and had cracked lids and no cranks, dusty and >dirty. His prices were above retail for perfect >machines, it was ridiculous. $450 for a filthy 2min >Standard with missing lid veneer and no crank or belt? >I don't think so........ > You know who I mean, you were there.. > > > > > > > > >- > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-l mailing list >[email protected] >http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com > _______________________________________________ Phono-l mailing list [email protected] http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com _______________________________________________ Phono-l mailing list [email protected] http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
