Well, let's think about this. Have you ever wondered why Victor had their instructions in Spanish? Every noticed that Columbia had offices all over the world? Remember that Gramophone Co. was a company based in London, the capital of an Empire which ruled a quarter of the Earth and on which the sun never set. The global economy isn't a new phenomenon. In 1910 the US and UK exported products all over the world. However, most of the world was even dirt poorer than they are today so with a few exceptions, there wasn't much of a market for Edison Triumphs in Pango Pango.
----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 6:40 PM Subject: [Phono-L] What was sold in other markets? WAS: What's the story on the original indian machines????? > > I find this really interesting actually. I know about machines sold in > places like the UK, USA, Canada, (plenty of info especially on these > three) Australia, Germany, France etc.... But what were phono markets > like in the rest of the world Surely there were original machines in > China, Japan etc... (I mean othere than the imported ones) and those must > have catered for local tastes. I was speaking to a friend who suggested > that there were a number of original chinese model phonographs???? Anyone > here know of any of these original machines or a source for them. I know > that Pathe produced a number of 78rpm records in China in the local > languages. I remember seeing a Russian fairly decorative machine making > thousands of dolllars on eBay a couple of years ago.. > > Cheers, > Mario > > > > > >> George Glastris <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I was speaking about proper old gramophones that just happened to have >> been >> made in India up through the 1930s. These were catalogued as being old >> and >> original, although maybe not of great quality. We never sold the >> reproductions that came out later, especially the ones with obviously >> new >> tone arms, and HMV labels. In fact, we assisted EMI in prosecuting the >> makers with trademark infringement. We did find that sometimes they >> would >> use old cases but replace the older motors with HMV portable motors. I >> assume that it was cheaper for them to do that then repair the original. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "bruce78rpm" <[email protected]> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's the story on the original indian >> machines????? >> >> >> >I assume they were auctioned as reproduction Gramophones as opposed to >> > "Restored Originals". >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "George Glastris" <[email protected]> >> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:29 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What's the story on the original indian >> > machines????? >> > >> > >> >> Quite simple,there was a market for horn gramophones in India >> throughout >> >> the >> >> 1930s, and Swiss manufacturers like Paillard, as well as HMV who had >> a >> >> factory near Calcutta, continued to supply this market. That is why >> >> there >> >> were so many horn gramophones in India for people to import over here >> and >> >> especially in the UK in the 1970s, and as the supply ran out, the >> Indians >> >> developed their own replacements. In the early 1990s/late 1980s >> there >> >> was >> >> a >> >> small flood of these in the auction houses where I was working at the >> >> >> time >> >> (Christie's and Phillips') and some actually made respectable prices >> (in >> >> the >> >> low hundreds of pounds when name brand machines were making in the >> mid >> >> hundreds and upwards), but that didn't last long, especially as the >> >> supply >> >> of better quality and condition ones soon ended. >> >> >> >> Regards to all, >> >> George Glastris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Mario Frazzetto" <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:39 PM >> >> Subject: [Phono-L] What's the story on the original indian >> machines????? >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Folks, >> >>> >> >>> Well I know about crapophones and frankenphones, but what is the >> story >> >>> on >> >>> some of these early indian horn phonographs.... I see transfers for >> >>> Leophones etc... >> >>> >> >>> Anyone know anything about early phonograph/gramophone production in >> >>> India? Models? or are all Indian phonographs late model crapophones? >> >>> It seems to be an unexplored side. >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Mario >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Phono-L mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> >> >>> Phono-L Archive >> >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >>> >> >>> Support Phono-L >> >>> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >>> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: >> >>> 10/14/2006 >> >>> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Phono-L mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> Phono-L Archive >> >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> >> >> Support Phono-L >> >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Phono-L mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > >> > Phono-L Archive >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> > >> > Support Phono-L >> > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: >> 10/14/2006 >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ >> >> Support Phono-L >> http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/ > > Support Phono-L > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006 > >
