There has to be at least one piano tuning expert out there who knows this
better than I do....But here it is in a nutshell....

It's not really the glycerin that is the problem, but water. Glycerin
certainly facilitates the problem, however. The glycerin when mixed with
additional alcohol is able to penetrate into cracks, crevices and wood pores
quite deeply. Glycerin on its own would not penetrate very well. The alcohol
quickly evaporates, but leaves the glycerin in the pores.

HERE IS THE PROBLEM:
Glycerin loves moisture and it draws water out of the air to bind with it.
As the water is adsorbed, it fills spaces in the cellulose (wood fiber) and
increases the hydrostatic (essentially of the water) pressure within the
wood. This expansion pushes the wood fibers outwardly and causes sections of
joined wood, for example, to more tightly fit together. That all sounds well
and good IF the expansion that occurs in the wood was a permanent change,
but it is not and herein is the difficulty. The ability of wood (cellulose)
to wick liquids is greater than the glycerin's ability to stay in place. So
the water is eventually forced to leave the wood. The expansion also crushes
the cellulose structure of the wood which is not reversible. Eventually, the
wood may dry out again and you will have to do your magic glycerin treatment
again and again and again. But in time, the introduction of the moisture
coupled with the repeated expansion and contraction (i.e. getting wet and
then drying) will rot the wood, and not only that, it will rust any metal,
like nails, tacks, and brads that it comes in contact with. Any rust that is
formed will shed from metal when the wood dries out and cling to the wood
fibers. The more this expansion and contraction takes place, the more rust
is formed, the smaller the nails get, and the looser the joints become. At a
point, the nails lose their ability to fasten. Everyone has seen a rusty
nail or screw in hole that just falls out of a hole - same problem.

A GOOD piano guy would know the danger of this around things like tuning
pegs.

Needless to say, I am an advocate of doing things the right way and I don't
advocate the use of snake oil (I mean and glycerin) for 'restoration'. If my
car leaks oil it doesn't need a chemical to expand worn gaskets, it probably
needs new gaskets. The chemicals that expand gaskets in cars like to stop
oil leaks are often used by people who just want to push their problem off
to the next owner. A piano tuner who uses glycerin is ALWAYS more interested
in lining his pockets with your money than he is with the long term
performance of your piano.

Getting into an Orthophonic to seal the horn (or removing them if necessary)
isn't easy, but we have marvelous things like silicone adhesives which, once
they are applied, are apt to outlive the wood.

Walt




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Andrew Baron
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:46 AM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] orthophonic/credenza question

When you have a few moments, could you enlighten me with some  
additional information on what glycerine specifically does to the  
wood, short and long term?

Thanks in advance,
Andy Baron

        From:     [email protected]
        Subject:        Re: [Phono-L] orthophonic/credenza question
        Date:   February 9, 2007 6:23:33 AM MST
        To:       [email protected]
        Reply-To:         [email protected]

> But note that he advocates the use of glycerine to "rejuvenate" the  
> wooden
> horn - and that glycerine is also used on pianos in the same way,  
> but by only
> the worst, shoddiest tuners.  It's a cheap, quick way to ruin wood.

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