The only times I had a problem Pay Pal took care of it after a bit of a wait 
both times, also I think they limit how many claims you can make in a 12 month 
period. Had to do quite a bit of E mailing back & forth to Pay Pal to get it 
taken care of, it's almost like they hope you just give up !

Jim G.

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Ken Danckaert <[email protected]> 

> Don't rely too much on PayPal. I know of one instance where PayPal did 
> pay after a lot of work by the injured party, BUT Pay Pal terminated 
> both the buyer and the seller until they got money back from someone. 
> They didn't care about the injured party not being responsible for the 
> problem of destruction during shipping due to poor packing. Somehow 
> this sounds like ebay! Does anyone have other experience with trying to 
> get payment out of PayPal? 
> 
> Ken D. 
> 
> Rich wrote: 
> 
> >What you have to remember is that better than 90% of the PayPal users never 
> even read the user 
> >agreement and the rules. And, even worse of the 10% or so who do read them 
> probably 50% do not 
> >understand them. PayPal provides excellent buyer insurance when using PayPal 
> through eBay and is 
> >very convenient for the seller. There is no real reason to get bitten by a 
> SPAM eBay or PayPal email. 
> >If it sounds too good to be true, its a scam. Turn down the greed, learn how 
> the computer functions, 
> >and you will be OK. 
> > 
> >Rich 
> > 
> > 
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From [email protected]  Wed Feb 14 13:15:42 2007
From: [email protected] (Mike Stitt)
Date: Wed Feb 14 13:16:35 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] paypal
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Thanks to all! Paypal is acting like a credit card company without being 
one. No one else I deal with seems to have a problem taking mt CC. No 
one else has asked for a checking acct number! Amazon just ships my 
stuff. They don't ask were I bank. I just don't get why Paypal needs all 
this personal info. They are part of eBay now so they already have 
personal info, where you live etc..eBay ! charge the card and pay the 
seller...you know who I am!  Just my thoughts.
btw Amazon use second party sellers and takes CC's and the seller gets 
paid! Magic!
From [email protected]  Wed Feb 14 13:23:19 2007
From: [email protected] (Rich)
Date: Wed Feb 14 13:26:01 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Whaddya think it will Pay Pal?
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

The first question I have is who exactly negotiated with the shipper, who I am 
making the assumption 
was UPS?


On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:24:50 -0500, Ken Danckaert wrote:

>Since you appear to be such an expertl, I refer you to the pictures of 
>the badly demolished Columbia AS.  That will show you the Injured 
>parties side and the packing of the machine as received.  You tell me 
>who is "he said" and "she said"!

>Rich wrote:

>>I consider these "eBay, PayPal, common carrier, or whoever boned me" stories 
>>to be little more than 
one 
>>sided urban legends and of little merit.  Now if I am provided with all of 
>>the correspondence from 
ALL 
>>sides I will consider it.  This is no more or less than an other adaptation 
>>of the old "he said, she 
said".  
>>These stories belong on the Art Bell program.....
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:57:25 -0500, Ken Danckaert wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Don't rely too much on PayPal.  I know of one instance where PayPal did 
>>>pay after a lot of work by the injured party, BUT Pay Pal terminated 
>>>both the buyer and the seller until they got money back from someone.  
>>>They didn't care about the injured party not being responsible for the 
>>>problem of destruction during shipping due to poor packing.   Somehow 
>>>this sounds like ebay!  Does anyone have other experience with trying to 
>>>get payment out of PayPal?
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Ken D.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Rich wrote:
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>>What you have to remember is that better than 90% of the PayPal users never 
>>>>even read the user 
>>>>agreement and the rules.  And, even worse of the 10% or so who do read them 
>>>>probably 50% do 
not 
>>>>understand them.  PayPal provides excellent buyer insurance when using 
>>>>PayPal through eBay 
and is 
>>>>very convenient for the seller.  There is no real reason to get bitten by a 
>>>>SPAM eBay or PayPal 
email.  
>>>>If it sounds too good to be true, its a scam.  Turn down the greed, learn 
>>>>how the computer 
functions,  
>>>>and you will be OK.
>>>>
>>>>Rich
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
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