You should look at it this way, You have helped take some idiot off of the 
street and provide them with 
a job.  That is what your money went for as it definitely did not go for a 
proper packing job, even when 
instructions were provided.  If you stand there and watch them , it goes better.

Rich


On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:27:30 -0700, Andrew Baron wrote:

>My packaging store story is another reason not to rest easy when  
>using professional pack-ship places.

>I was having a mahogany Herzog cylinder phonograph cabinet shipped,  
>which was taken to a store to be packed.  This is one of the models  
>with the interleaving shelves and rounded front (710).  When it  
>arrived, I knew right away there would be trouble.  The moment I saw  
>it come off the truck, I could see that it had been dropped, and the  
>top of the carton was accordioned badly, indicating that it had taken  
>a long drop on its head.  This was supposed to have been "triple  
>boxed", with extra cardboard at the bottom to offer some protection  
>to the bun feet.  The only "triple" in the packing that the "shipping  
>carton" had been pieced together from three sections of recycled  
>boxes, all of them soft as could be, and without a rigid or double  
>wall panel in the bunch.  The packing inside was relatively loose,  
>and there was no inner box, let alone two.  To add insult to injury,  
>there was a gaping hole in the side of the shabby carton, with  
>peanuts and clear tape oozing from it and, you guessed it, the side  
>of the cabinet got gouged.  If it had been packed as represented, it  
>would have at least had a chance to escape that damage.  Of course,  
>the primary instruction to put additional protection at the bottom  
>was completely ignored.  They had thrown three left over box flaps on  
>top before sealing it, and that was it.

>I was able to get a refund from the seller on the packing & shipping,  
>for which I had been charged $380.00.  But I have to be content to  
>live with the shipping damage or refinish it.  The seller was also  
>helpful in coaching me on the materials used in the refinish job that  
>had been done on it prior to shipping, and when life settles down  
>enough to free up the time, I plan on redoing the whole cabinet.   
>What should have been a joyful moment was made a miserable  
>disappointment.

>My only other experiences with using a professional pack-ship company  
>were an antique lamp with shade shipped separately (different  
>shipper, same shoddy materials; badly damaged shade), and a  
>relatively small but heavy brass National cash register (model 317),  
>which had been packed with crumpled NEWSPAPER.  The only  
>thoughtfulness in that packing job was that they had (fortunately)  
>removed the two glass panels that form the top compartment and taped  
>them to the inner curve where the front panel meets the upper part  
>(with tape that left gooey adhesive embedded in the fine brasswork.    
>It arrived with a bent over upper side panel (the part that goes up  
>alongside the glass).  Fortunately, I was able to straighten the  
>metal without cracking it, and consider myself to have been extremely  
>lucky to do so.  The premium above and beyond the actual cost of  
>shipping for this service was $60.00.

>I'm sure that there must be reputable pack-ship companies out there  
>but unless you KNOW that a particular company is being used and have  
>seen that they use quality materials consistently, I believe that  
>you're taking your chances much the same as dealing with any unknown  
>party.

>Andy Baron


>On Feb 15, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Rich wrote:

>> OK, Here is my opinion on the "packaging store"  it is real simple,  
>> a basic waste of mony.  I have yet to
>> see a decent job come out of one of those places.  How do you  
>> expect a low buck clerk to have any idea
>> on how to pack a phono?  It does provide a small layer of insurance  
>> that the final carrier will pay up if its
>> trashed though.
>>
>> OK kiddies, story time.  This is about the shipping store.
>> I purchased a video tape machine recently.  It was a professional  
>> grade S-VHS machine, a JVC BR-
>> S822DXU.  The original cost of this machine in the 2000 time frame  
>> was $15,000.00 or so.  I paid a lot
>> less.  Now I was charged $30.00 to "professionally" package the  
>> machine.  It fits into a 19" rack and
>> weighs about 54 pounds and is almost 24" deep and 7" high.  This is  
>> what showed up on the door step.
>> One large previously used box containing the VCR wrapped in 2  
>> complete turns of bubble wrap and the
>> remainder of the box loosely filled with plastic peanuts.  By some  
>> miracle, after picking peanuts out of
>> the machine it was un damaged other than one of the rack mounting  
>> handles was bent about 45
>> degrees when compared to the other side.  The box had been dropped  
>> repeatedly as there were no
>> corners that were not crushed and all sides were now soft.  For  
>> that I paid $30.00
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:17:40 -0800, Albert wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Mario:  If I sell a phonograph I take it to a packaging  
>>> store and
>>> they take care of everything.  Sure it costs more but I think most  
>>> buyers
>>> would prefer that as well.  I have shipped many wood horn machines  
>>> and have
>>> never lost one yet.  Union is great but they do not offer  
>>> packaging services
>>> at the show, so if you fly in, you better know somebody who will  
>>> bring it
>>> back for you.
>>
>>
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