Andy, Looks like you're narrowing the window of possibility for your machine's manufacture - and the clues were right there all along!? I don't have a sense of how long it took for new patent dates to appear on Edison dataplates, as this would imply that newly-patented features appeared on those particular machines.? I suspect that the time varied, depending on whether the model in question was a faster-selling one (such as the "A-250") or slow-selling one (such as the "A-150") with larger inventories of unsold machines.? In any event, based on the evidence you've discovered today, I'd amend my earlier assessment to "late 1912/early 1913" for your example.? Here's a puzzler: you state that Form 632 (pasted to your "A-250") is dated 11/20/12.? I have Form 632 pasted to an "A-80" and it has NO DATE ON IT.? What do you suppose that means?? Those fellows at West Orange didn't make this easy for us, did they?
George Paul ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From [email protected] Fri Jun 22 14:39:59 2007 From: [email protected] (gregory caringi) Date: Fri Jun 22 14:41:58 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor P bracket Message-ID: <[email protected]> A couple of years ago, I went through this same questioning process for my Victor R and got the same responses. Maybe my R was too far gone, but none of the suggestions really worked. I turned to Steve Farmer for help. Steve is a great guy and a true craftsman when it comes to restorations. Many of the finest Victor & Edison machines with oxidized copper or bronze finishes were "Farmerized." Check out: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8loo1/index.html If a simple cleaning is not going to work, then consider contacting Steve Farmer. He is the best. I'm not sure if this is his current e-mail address. [email protected] Best of luck with the project. Greg Caringi >From: "Ron L" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor P bracket >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:09:06 -0400 > >My cleaner of choice for shellac is mechanic's waterless hand cleaner, >without pumice. It does not dull or soften the shellac but it does remove >oils, greases and old wax. > >Ron L > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >Behalf Of Rich >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:54 PM >To: Antique Phonograph List >Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor P bracket > >The best bet is Murphy's Oil Soap. Mix with a little water and whip up a >lather. It might dull the >shellac and if it does paste wax will fix it. It will take off the >oxidized >oil, coal dust, wood ash, and >general dirt. It requires patience. > >ANY product that is listed as either a polish or body scrub or cleaner is >an >ABRASIVE and will cut >through the shellac like a knife. The chemical carriers in these products >may also strip the shellac. >The copper plate is very thin and that is what makes it fragile. > >Some of these oxidized fishes are coated with real violin varnish which is >much tougher than plain >shellac. The color of the final product was controlled by what was used to >over coat it. > > >On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:10:37 -0400, Steven Medved wrote: > > >Hi Loran,Would a gently cleaner such as Maguires body scrub clean the >crud >off of the shellac? A lot >of houses were heated with coal and or wood and this leaves things very >dirty. Patina is good, dirt is >irritating, but sometimes it is best to leave well enough alone.The >oxidized >finish is very delicate, >when working with Edison oxidized reproducers I only remove dust with a >soft >tissue. I would think >that the shellac could be removed and a new finish installed, but when >dealing such an expensive >item you would want an expert to do it.Steve> Other than gently wiping with >a soft (microfiber) cloth to >knock the > dust off, I'd leave well enough alone. I'm a believer that >patina > shows the piece has >lived a nice, long life.> > Loran> > On Jun 21, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Dan Kj >wrote:> > > I knew someone >who had the same finish on all the door hardware in > > his house> > .... >he removed every piece & >got them "all clean again" with some > > kind of> > industrial polishing >compound. I couldn't tell if he >was > > disappointed when I> > told him the pieces were SUPPOSED to have >spots of different- > > >colored metal.> > ack.> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: >"David Dazer" ><[email protected]>> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" ><[email protected]>> > Sent: Thursday, >June 21, 2007 9:10 AM> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor P bracket> >> >> > I >had good luck cleaning >mine with 0000 steel wool and some > > waterless hand> > cleaner that >mechanics use. Go easy >with it or you might end up > > stripping the> > whole thing off. When >you >see some of the copper >coming back, quit.> > Dave> >> > [email protected] wrote:> >> > I have >an >oxidized Victor P front >mount support brack that is very > > dark. How> > could I bring the >support >bracket back to life so it >will show the > > oxidized> > finish? Do I remove the old laquer/shellac >finish and then > > >relacquer? If so what> > type of finish remover would you recommend? >Thanks!> >> > >_______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > >http://phono- >l.oldcrank.org> >> > _______________________________________________> >Phono-L mailing list> >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org_______________________________________________ > >Phono-L mailing list > >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >_______________________________________________ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
