Wow, it seems so...patched together! I always thought that the smooth horn was 
made of staves like a barrel, so to speak. There is another oak horn on ebay 
that doesn't seem to have the triangular portions. Mine doesn't have them all 
the way around, just most of the way. The inside of the horn looks almost 
perfect.
  J

Walt <[email protected]> wrote:
  The seams (based on your pictures) are the most significant areas that need
repair. The triangular sections are correct. Remember that the #30 is a
2-ply horn, not 3 like the spear tip.

W

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of john robles
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Smooth oak horn question - sort of urgent

QUestion - maybe I have been wrong about this - is it only the seams that
need repair? I thought that all those long, triangular pieces on the horn
were patch jobs. Maybe I am wrong. I saw another horn tonight that has those
too....Can anyone clarify?
THanks
John

[email protected] wrote:
That's one opinion of course. You did get the horn at a good price ($695) 
which is well below what better condition horns are going for. Even if you 
spend $400 to get it repaired properly, which you will need to do, you still

will not have too bad of a deal. His description is incorrect and 
misleading, as Walt says, but he does say in addition "Also a few seams 
reglued" which is correct. Almost all wood horns on eBay have defects or 
damage of some kind, and they seem to be going for well over $1,000 anyway. 
Find out what an expert will charge to do the repairs before sending it 
back. That's my opinion.


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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Victor Smooth oak horn question - sort of urgent


> Good advice, Walt, and I think I will follow it!
> John
>
> Walt wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I looked at your set of pictures and compared them to those on the eBay
> listing along with the description. He describes it in the eBay auction as
> having "TINY TINY REPAIRS WHICH ARE NOT EASILY VISIBLE WITH THE NAKED EYE"
> (emphasis: his). But your pictures tell a different and true story. If he
> had left the text as saying merely "tiny tiny repairs" I don't think you
> could really complain because subjective language is a tough thing to nail
> down, but he states definitively that the repairs "are not easily visible
> with the naked eye". Maybe he is going blind - I don't know. But, my eyes
> are pretty naked and those gaping wounds in that horn are egregious. If he
> would just have dropped the word "NOT" in the sentence, it would be
> accurate.
>
> That horn needs at least $400 in repairs and that assumes that the joints
> that were botched would easily come apart (and I suspect from the pictures
> that they might just jump at the opportunity). I'd pay about $300 to $350
> for a horn that was damaged like that only because I can do the repairs
> correctly and could probably turn it around for a decent profit.
>
> If I were in your boat, I think I would send it back...Even if the guy 
> gave
> you a $300 refund or something on that order, you would still need to have
> it repaired the right way.
>
> Walt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On
> Behalf Of john robles
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Smooth oak horn question - sort of urgent
>
> Hi All
> This is such a great forum, and there's so much knowledge here...that
> Edison Wrench discussion was really lively!
> This time it is simpler. I bought an oak horn from eBay, from a guy with
> 100% positive feedback, largely on phonograph items, and a 7 day return
> policy which I am afraid I may have to use. I received the horn today, but
> in spite of his saying there were a few minor repairs virtually invisible 
> to
> the eye, it seems to me there are many major repairs totally visibile.
> Problem is they all look old and the color match is good. But the patterns
> of the angles at which the wood comes together don't make sense to me. 
> Check
> the pics at this link and tell me if I should send it back right away!!
> http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Oak%20Horn/
> Thanks
> John
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