I emailed these sellers about an hour or two and nicely told them what it was, since they had it listed as being the real thing. A day later I received an email saying they would "look into it". 24 hours later it was still up with no changes to the listing. I couldn't help but notice "Buy From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page so I emailed back again simply quoting their logo with five question marks after it. Still no change to the listing. Yesterday afternoon, I emailed them and bluntly told them what it was again and asked why they hadn't changed the listing in light of their slogan. I finally received an email bank and was told I was "impolite" and simply showing off my knowledge, that they were not experts on everything, etc. I emailed them back and told them that in the age of Google, Wikipedia, and the internet in general, not accurately identifying what you have to sell and interpreting that accurately in an eBay listing is not excusable. I told them I thought it was far more impolite to mislead for profit, and if done intentionally, it is so impolite that it is fraud -- a felony. I gave the example of the time I sold a quantity of antique marbles on eBay and had to educate myself on the subject so I could describe them accurately. Am I now an expert on marbles? -- no. All I remember is that lutz swirls brought the most, and they came in different sizes, but I took the time and trouble to learn what I had in order to sell it. I asked them if they did not see the irony in "Buy From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page relative to their Frankenphone. I only apologized for not sugar-coating the truth about their item enough for them to be able to swallow it. Just a short time later, the auction was ended and now it has been re-listed with a new description. You just can't help some people without a battle! Like trying to save someone who's drowning. Impolite . . . me? I don't give a cr*p's a** -- I've got too many years in this hobby and care too much about it to have much tolerance for money-grubbing morons mucking it up. Thanks! I feel better now! John (the phono-curmudgeon)
> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:05:07 -0400 > > There is no doubt that this was work of a deranged mad man, to create this > ultimate CRAPANOLA!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "phono-l" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:05 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > > > > > This one is the worst I've seen yet- has two reproduction Columbia > > decals, and looks like a Grafonola case was sacrificed for this > > abortion. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-STYLE-COLUMBIA-REPLICA-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ140214953262QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Wed Mar 12 04:38:05 2008 From: [email protected] (John Maeder) Date: Wed Mar 12 04:40:35 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone In-Reply-To: <003501c88428$8e08d180$6401a...@user52c8f93503> References: <[email protected]> <003501c88428$8e08d180$6401a...@user52c8f93503> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I emailed these sellers about an hour or two after it was listed and nicely told them what it was, since they had it listed as being the real thing. A day later I received an email saying they would "look into it". 24 hours later it was still up with no changes to the listing. I couldn't help but notice "Buy From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page so I emailed back again simply quoting their logo with five question marks after it. Still no change to the listing. Yesterday afternoon, I emailed them and bluntly told them what it was again and asked why they hadn't changed the listing in light of their slogan. I finally received an email bank and was told I was "impolite" and simply showing off my knowledge, that they were not experts on everything, etc. I emailed them back and told them that in the age of Google, Wikipedia, and the internet in general, not accurately identifying what you have to sell and interpreting that accurately in an eBay listing is not excusable. I told them I thought it was far more impolite to mislead for profit, and if done intentionally, it is so impolite that it is fraud -- a felony. I gave the example of the time I sold a quantity of antique marbles on eBay and had to educate myself on the subject so I could describe them accurately. Am I now an expert on marbles? -- no. All I remember is that lutz swirls brought the most, and they came in different sizes, but I took the time and trouble to learn what I had in order to sell it. I asked them if they did not see the irony in "Buy From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page relative to their Frankenphone. I only apologized for not sugar-coating the truth about their item enough for them to be able to swallow it. Just a short time later, the auction was ended and now it has been re-listed with a new description. You just can't help some people without a battle! Like trying to save someone who's drowning. Impolite . . . me? I don't give a cr*p's a** -- I've got too many years in this hobby and care too much about it to have much tolerance for money-grubbing morons mucking it up. Thanks! I feel better now! John (the phono-curmudgeon) > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:05:07 -0400 > > There is no doubt that this was work of a deranged mad man, to create this > ultimate CRAPANOLA!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "phono-l" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:05 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > > > > > This one is the worst I've seen yet- has two reproduction Columbia > > decals, and looks like a Grafonola case was sacrificed for this > > abortion. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-STYLE-COLUMBIA-REPLICA-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ140214953262QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Wed Mar 12 05:34:39 2008 From: [email protected] (Christine Gray) Date: Wed Mar 12 05:35:16 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone References: <[email protected]><003501c88428$8e08d180$6401a...@user52c8f93503> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <001c01c8843d$709e1960$0101a...@emachines> He clearly states it is made from several differant machines. He states the word REPLICA at least three times. problem is? Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Maeder" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:35 AM Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone I emailed these sellers about an hour or two and nicely told them what it was, since they had it listed as being the real thing. A day later I received an email saying they would "look into it". 24 hours later it was still up with no changes to the listing. I couldn't help but notice "Buy >From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page so I emailed back again simply quoting their logo with five question marks after it. Still no change to the listing. Yesterday afternoon, I emailed them and bluntly told them what it was again and asked why they hadn't changed the listing in light of their slogan. I finally received an email bank and was told I was "impolite" and simply showing off my knowledge, that they were not experts on everything, etc. I emailed them back and told them that in the age of Google, Wikipedia, and the internet in general, not accurately identifying what you have to sell and interpreting that accurately in an eBay listing is not excusable. I told them I thought it was far more impolite to mislead for profit, and if done intentionally, it is so impolite that it is fraud -- a felony. I gave the example of the time I sold a quantity of antique marbles on eBay and had to educate myself on the subject so I could describe them accurately. Am I now an expert on marbles? -- no. All I remember is that lutz swirls brought the most, and they came in different sizes, but I took the time and trouble to learn what I had in order to sell it. I asked them if they did not see the irony in "Buy From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page relative to their Frankenphone. I only apologized for not sugar-coating the truth about their item enough for them to be able to swallow it. Just a short time later, the auction was ended and now it has been re-listed with a new description. You just can't help some people without a battle! Like trying to save someone who's drowning. Impolite . . . me? I don't give a cr*p's a** -- I've got too many years in this hobby and care too much about it to have much tolerance for money-grubbing morons mucking it up. Thanks! I feel better now! John (the phono-curmudgeon) > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:05:07 -0400 > > There is no doubt that this was work of a deranged mad man, to create > this > ultimate CRAPANOLA!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "phono-l" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:05 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > > > > > This one is the worst I've seen yet- has two reproduction Columbia > > decals, and looks like a Grafonola case was sacrificed for this > > abortion. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-STYLE-COLUMBIA-REPLICA-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ140214953262QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
