Apologies, Rich! John > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:15:26 -0500 > > Tim is who chimed in to say that the listing said REPLICA three times, etc, > and asked what the problem with it was. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Maeder" <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:19 PM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > > > I'm totally confused on who I was addressing. I thought it was Rich. Who's > Tim? Sorry for any confusion. John > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Wed Mar 12 16:15:03 2008 From: [email protected] (Merle Sprinzen) Date: Wed Mar 12 16:33:18 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Also note that the seller is I-Sold-It. This is one of those businesses where people can drop off all their stuff and they post and sell it on eBay for them, with them keeping 50-percent or so of what the item fetches. They have less incentive/desire to make the most from each of their items because they make their money in volume. On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:15:09 -0400 John Maeder <[email protected]> writes: > > They did AFTER they finally stopped the original auction where it > was being presented as authentic. If you read my post, I say that, > and they only re-listed it after I emailed them three times. You > are looking at the re-listed item, Rich. John > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:34:39 -0400 > > > > He clearly states it is made from several differant machines. He > states the > > word REPLICA at least three times. problem is? Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Maeder" <[email protected]> > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > > > > > > > I emailed these sellers about an hour or two and nicely told them > what it > > was, since they had it listed as being the real thing. A day > later I > > received an email saying they would "look into it". 24 hours > later it was > > still up with no changes to the listing. I couldn't help but > notice "Buy > > >From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page so I emailed > back again > > simply quoting their logo with five question marks after it. > Still no > > change to the listing. Yesterday afternoon, I emailed them and > bluntly told > > them what it was again and asked why they hadn't changed the > listing in > > light of their slogan. I finally received an email bank and was > told I was > > "impolite" and simply showing off my knowledge, that they were not > experts > > on everything, etc. I emailed them back and told them that in the > age of > > Google, Wikipedia, and the internet in general, not accurately > identifying > > what you have to sell and interpreting that accurately in an eBay > listing is > > not excusable. I told them I thought it was far more impolite to > mislead > > for profit, and if done intentionally, it is so impolite that it > is fraud -- > > a felony. I gave the example of the time I sold a quantity of > antique > > marbles on eBay and had to educate myself on the subject so I > could describe > > them accurately. Am I now an expert on marbles? -- no. All I > remember is > > that lutz swirls brought the most, and they came in different > sizes, but I > > took the time and trouble to learn what I had in order to sell it. > I asked > > them if they did not see the irony in "Buy From Someone You Can > Trust" at > > the top of their page relative to their Frankenphone. I only > apologized for > > not sugar-coating the truth about their item enough for them to be > able to > > swallow it. Just a short time later, the auction was ended and > now it has > > been re-listed with a new description. You just can't help some > people > > without a battle! Like trying to save someone who's drowning. > Impolite . . > > . me? I don't give a cr*p's a** -- I've got too many years in > this hobby > > and care too much about it to have much tolerance for > money-grubbing morons > > mucking it up. Thanks! I feel better now! John (the > phono-curmudgeon) > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:05:07 -0400 > > > > > > There is no doubt that this was work of a deranged mad man, to > create > > > this > > > ultimate CRAPANOLA!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]>; "phono-l" > <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:05 PM > > > Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This one is the worst I've seen yet- has two reproduction > Columbia > > > > decals, and looks like a Grafonola case was sacrificed for > this > > > > abortion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-STYLE-COLUMBIA-REPLICA-PHONOGRAPH_W0Q QitemZ140214953262QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVi ewItem > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Wed Mar 12 17:46:00 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Wed Mar 12 17:46:16 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] No Raps on MAPS, But Seek Chaps for CAPS References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <001401c884a3$9cbf0840$6401a...@wilenzick> George is correct. The CAPS journal is absolutely wonderful. By the way, I find it amusing that their address is "VICTORville, CA". Was that planned, or did it just turn out that way? Perhaps MAPS should move to EDISON, NJ and change its name to NAPS. Just kidding. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: [Phono-L] No Raps on MAPS, But Seek Chaps for CAPS > > Jerry, > > Thanks for your kind words about my new position in CAPS. There's no doubt > that they wanted me simply for eye-candy. But it's worth noting that CAPS > is not just for California collectors - any more than MAPS is solely for > those living in Michigan. I've been a member of both organizations for > many years, and agree that every serious collector should be a member of > both. What puzzles me is the number of MAPS members who don't belong to > CAPS as well. The CAPS quarterly journal, "The Sound Box," is the best - I > repeat - THE BEST publication on antique phonographs and related items. > It's a large-format magazine (8 1/2" x 11") packed with photos and > illustrations. Members just received their March issue last week, and - as > in every issue - there are a number of substantive articles for the > collector who wants to learn more about our hobby. The eight (yes, EIGHT) > articles in the current issue cover these topics:1) A discussion of the > Columbia Period Grafonolas, who made the cabinets > , and illustrations of 18 different models! 2) An article and 4 photos of > an unusual "Exposicion" gramophone by Larry Karp. Ever seen one of these? > 3) Allen Koenigsberg wrote about a long-forgotten 1905 advertising > campaign using a giant balloon tethered to a building in New York City to > promote Victor Talking Machines (w/5 illustrations). A sudden windstorm > brought near-tragedy and one man barely escaped with his life! 4) Thomas > Rhodes ("Mr.Orthophonic") writes about Joseph Maxfield's sound box - no, > not the Orthophonic - the one BEFORE that!? 5) So we thought we knew about > EVERY recording of Thomas Edison's voice? How about a 1917 Blue Amberol > (yep - it predates "Let Us Not Forget") containing Edison himself > extolling the new Electrip Ediphone? Plus other related artifacts shown in > four photos. 6) Everyone knows that cylinder records are vertically > recorded, but if you read "The Sound Box," you're also aware of two types > of LATERALLY RECORDED cylinder records! 5 photos acc > ompany this article. 7) Charles Marowitz writes an article in each issue > on early recording stars, and I think he does an excellent job every time. > This issue, he covered Annette Hanshaw (including 3 illustrations), and > she seemed like such a babe in print that I was inspired to dig out a > couple of her records to see what she sounded like. 8) When we think > "catalog sales," we think of Sears - don't we? Well, Montgomery-Ward put > Sears to shame in the 1899-1902 period with the wonderful phonographs it > sold, such as Edison Polyphones, Berliner & Johnson Gramophones, the > "Thornward," and others. Nine illustrations from actual catalogs are > included in this article. And that's all in just ONE issue of "The Sound > Box!"? Rene Rondeau is the Editor, and does a magnificent job of creating > a beautiful, eye-catching journal with full-color covers. There are 36 > illustrations in this issue, which doesn't include the 5 pages of > advertisements! > > CAPS maintains a website at www.ca-phono.org. I encourage everyone who's > not a member to do themselves a favor and check it out. Sorry for the long > essay, but this is really too good to miss! > > Best to all, > George Paul > > > > > > > > California Antique Phonograph Society > PO Box 169 > Victorville, California 92393 > (Dues are only $25 and include a wonderful quarterly > newsletter) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
