They did AFTER they finally stopped the original auction where it was being presented as authentic. If you read my post, I say that, and they only re-listed it after I emailed them three times. You are looking at the re-listed item, Rich. John
> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:34:39 -0400 > > He clearly states it is made from several differant machines. He states the > word REPLICA at least three times. problem is? Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Maeder" <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:35 AM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > > > I emailed these sellers about an hour or two and nicely told them what it > was, since they had it listed as being the real thing. A day later I > received an email saying they would "look into it". 24 hours later it was > still up with no changes to the listing. I couldn't help but notice "Buy > >From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page so I emailed back again > simply quoting their logo with five question marks after it. Still no > change to the listing. Yesterday afternoon, I emailed them and bluntly told > them what it was again and asked why they hadn't changed the listing in > light of their slogan. I finally received an email bank and was told I was > "impolite" and simply showing off my knowledge, that they were not experts > on everything, etc. I emailed them back and told them that in the age of > Google, Wikipedia, and the internet in general, not accurately identifying > what you have to sell and interpreting that accurately in an eBay listing is > not excusable. I told them I thought it was far more impolite to mislead > for profit, and if done intentionally, it is so impolite that it is fraud -- > a felony. I gave the example of the time I sold a quantity of antique > marbles on eBay and had to educate myself on the subject so I could describe > them accurately. Am I now an expert on marbles? -- no. All I remember is > that lutz swirls brought the most, and they came in different sizes, but I > took the time and trouble to learn what I had in order to sell it. I asked > them if they did not see the irony in "Buy From Someone You Can Trust" at > the top of their page relative to their Frankenphone. I only apologized for > not sugar-coating the truth about their item enough for them to be able to > swallow it. Just a short time later, the auction was ended and now it has > been re-listed with a new description. You just can't help some people > without a battle! Like trying to save someone who's drowning. Impolite . . > . me? I don't give a cr*p's a** -- I've got too many years in this hobby > and care too much about it to have much tolerance for money-grubbing morons > mucking it up. Thanks! I feel better now! John (the phono-curmudgeon) > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:05:07 -0400 > > > > There is no doubt that this was work of a deranged mad man, to create > > this > > ultimate CRAPANOLA!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]>; "phono-l" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:05 PM > > Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone > > > > > > > > > > This one is the worst I've seen yet- has two reproduction Columbia > > > decals, and looks like a Grafonola case was sacrificed for this > > > abortion. > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-STYLE-COLUMBIA-REPLICA-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ140214953262QQihZ004QQcategoryZ38028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Wed Mar 12 07:17:07 2008 From: [email protected] (John Maeder) Date: Wed Mar 12 07:28:46 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Tinfoil To Stereo In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> The copy of FTFTS in the Louisville library had been stolen when I was younger. An old antique dealer on Market Street named Henry Sexton who sold phonos and music boxes had a copy that he would let me look at. John > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Tinfoil To Stereo > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:46:36 -0400 > > You are lucky to have been given that book. I was one of a very few who > took "From Tin Foil To Stereo" out of our library. I used to know the exact > spot on the shelf where it resided. One day, I went in to borrow it only to > learn that it had disappeared! Someday I'll find an affordable (i.e. > inexpensive or free) copy. 8-) > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of John Maeder > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:13 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Tinfoil To Stereo > > > I am proud that Ken Blazier gave me his copy of 'From Tinfoil To Stereo' > that was given to him by Elmer Moore (a first generation Southern California > collector). Both their names are inside with dedications from each > generation to the next. Ken passed away earlier this winter, for those of > you who may not know. I also have Del Hahn's copy of 'Edison Cylinder > Phonograph Companion'. Del passed away early last year. Elmer was before > my time in SoCal but heard many stories about him. I knew Ken and Del well > and thought very highly of them both. I really treasure those books! > > When I was a kid (I started collecting at age 10), I used to check a 1954 > edition of 'Fabulous Phonograph' out of the Ft. Knox (Ky.) library. The > librarian told me I was the only person that had ever checked it out! On > one visit when I was about 13 or 14, she gave it to me stamped 'discarded'. > I still have it. Kind regards, John > > > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:38:39 -0700 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Phono-L] Tinfoil To Stereo > > > > For those that get tired of stories from "back when I > > was a new collector", you can tune out now. When I > > started collecting in the early 70's, the only books > > that were available were "Tinfoil to Stereo" first > > printed in 1959 and "The Fabulous Phonograph" first > > printed in 1954. I was introduced to both those books > > by Ira Dueltgen. He had an extra copy of "The > > Fabulous Phonograph" that he gave or sold me at a > > modest price. I was disappointed to find out that > > "Tinfoil" was out of print and I had to wait what > > seemed like forever before the second edition was > > available. When I was looking for the photo of the > > Diamond Disk with the loud speaking attachment I > > checked the inside cover and found that my copy came > > through several collectors. On the inside cover it > > says: "Received 1-13-66, Purchased from A. Nugent Jr. > > 3804 Charles City Rd. Richmond, Va. Property of H. > > Claire Carpenter Sr. .... Sold to Ira Dueltgen by Mr. > > Carpenter's widow .... Purchased from Ira by John > > Davis in 1978 ... gift from John Davis to Jerry Blais > > 12-11-2006. > > I sold my second edition copy of Tinfoil from a > > posting on phono-l some time ago. We have so many > > wonderful phonograph books. My only difficulty today > > is trying to process so much information. Happy > > collecting, Jerry Blais > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Wed Mar 12 07:48:57 2008 From: [email protected] (Robert Wright) Date: Wed Mar 12 07:49:10 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Franken-Crapophone References: <[email protected]><003501c88428$8e08d180$6401a...@user52c8f93503> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hear hear! John, you're my hero. Although I must admit, as much as it pains me to see even intentionally misleading listings, I pick my battles more and more carefully as I get older and let most of them slide by (unless the seller seems particularly haughty). But I do love it when some headway actually gets made, so way to go John! Best, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Maeder" <[email protected]> I emailed these sellers about an hour or two and nicely told them what it was, since they had it listed as being the real thing. A day later I received an email saying they would "look into it". 24 hours later it was still up with no changes to the listing. I couldn't help but notice "Buy >From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page so I emailed back again simply quoting their logo with five question marks after it. Still no change to the listing. Yesterday afternoon, I emailed them and bluntly told them what it was again and asked why they hadn't changed the listing in light of their slogan. I finally received an email bank and was told I was "impolite" and simply showing off my knowledge, that they were not experts on everything, etc. I emailed them back and told them that in the age of Google, Wikipedia, and the internet in general, not accurately identifying what you have to sell and interpreting that accurately in an eBay listing is not excusable. I told them I thought it was far more impolite to mislead for profit, and if done intentionally, it is so impolite that it is fraud -- a felony. I gave the example of the time I sold a quantity of antique marbles on eBay and had to educate myself on the subject so I could describe them accurately. Am I now an expert on marbles? -- no. All I remember is that lutz swirls brought the most, and they came in different sizes, but I took the time and trouble to learn what I had in order to sell it. I asked them if they did not see the irony in "Buy From Someone You Can Trust" at the top of their page relative to their Frankenphone. I only apologized for not sugar-coating the truth about their item enough for them to be able to swallow it. Just a short time later, the auction was ended and now it has been re-listed with a new description. You just can't help some people without a battle! Like trying to save someone who's drowning. Impolite . . . me? I don't give a cr*p's a** -- I've got too many years in this hobby and care too much about it to have much tolerance for money-grubbing morons mucking it up. Thanks! I feel better now! John (the phono-curmudgeon)
