Greg; Yeah, I have a pair of those beasts in the living room. These are the Patrician IV, which have the 18 inch woofer, Klipsch loaded. They're being driven by a Fisher 800C. Like the guy in your message, I like to play George Wright recordings on them. He's pretty generous with the 32 foot pipes, and the E-V's go down below sound, and put the room in motion, or so it feels. They're seismic.
Now, sit down and hang on for this one. The living room ones are in mahogany factory furniture. There are two others in the basement that were kits in their beginnings. I have my miscellaneous amplifiers and tape and disc players there. I haven't used the first one down there for a while, but it's patched to a Brook 10A all triode amplifier with a companion preamp. A friend from Massachusetts and I were fooling around with that stuff a few years ago, decided to buck the Patrician (I had only one at the time) against one of my Altec A-7's. The Altecs were fine speakers, but the Patrician blew the A-7 out of the water. As good as the A-7's were they couldn't keep up with the E-V's. Because of space needs downstairs, I had to sell the Altecs. You want another? I have a collection of about 6000 78 discs. They're in cabinets in the basement. For auditioning the records, I have a Garrard transcription table, playing into a Mcintosh mono preamp, feeding a Mac 30 amplifier. It drives an E-V 12TRXB in an Aristocrat cabinet. It brings out the best in the shellac platters. Audio stuff is a lot of fun. > [Original Message] > From: Greg Bogantz <[email protected]> > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Date: 3/26/2008 5:32:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > > Doug, have you got a PAIR of Patricians? You're only the second guy > I've heard of to own them. For those who don't know what these are, they > were 4-way HUGE loudspeaker systems that employed a 30-inch! woofer in a > corner-horn enclosure that was vastly efficient. My friend who had them in > his basement could blow the windows out of the house with about 8 watts of > audio per each. Needless to say, he liked to play pipe organ music. LOUD > :o) > > Greg Bogantz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Houston" <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > > > > Thanks, Albert. I have one of those amplifiers, and I plan on re-capping > > it. I worked in a radio store when I was a kid, and they had a record > > counter. The audition amplifier was one of that model and, as you said, it > > sounded good. Speaking in general terms, frequency response in Juke boxes > > was strongly peaked in the low end. The customers loved it, and I'm sure > > that the restaurant owners had the treble turned all the way to full cut. > > Anyway, that amp will probably sound good with a preamp, such as a Fisher > > 80 nseries feeding it. I have a feeling that it's better than commonly > > thought. It's all about the transformers in it. > > > > Some time, immediately after the war, the Harmonicats did "Peg Of My > > Heart" > > on the VitaCoustic label. The record began with four notes, then a deep > > bass string. Whatever the jukebox in that place was, that bass note almost > > knocked stuff off the walls. It was in a neighborhood soda shop where us > > kids congregated. I played that selection lots of times. I do have the > > disc somewhere, and if I can find it, I'd like to play it on my E-V > > Patricians some time. It'll probably crack plaster! > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Albert <[email protected]> > >> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > >> Date: 3/26/2008 1:24:49 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > >> > >> No actually most WurliTzer amps after 1937 are painted red with the > >> exception of the W-800 which was gold and the counter models which also > > were > >> gold. Yes the P12 and the 412 used the gold amps with the 45 tubes. > > They > >> really sound good considering the technology at the time. I had Jukebox > >> Friday night restore the amp on my 412 and it is awsome. Funny you > >> mentioned I had a mills for many years, I just loved watching the ferris > >> wheel mech. I did however install an Astatic 51-2 cartridge and removed > > the > >> weight from the head. It didnt look as good, but at least I was able to > >> play my Rhino records (reproduction 78's) > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Douglas Houston" <[email protected]> > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:13 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > >> > >> > >> > Albert; > >> > > >> > Could you tell me which Wurlitzer box used the amplifier that had a > > 45 > >> > driving puish-pull 45's power amps....? The chassis was painted gold > > (as > >> > probably all Wurlitzers were). > >> > > >> > I was was amused at your description of "going through grooves like a > >> > plow". When I was a kid, one of my friends' family had a Mills DoReMi > > in > >> > their dining room. Rather unconventional place for it, but that's where > > it > >> > was. Now, talk about a record plow! The player had a Webster-Racine > >> > horseshoe magnetic pickup and the stylus pressure must have weighed in > > at > >> > pounds. Sure as shootin', I'd never have put any of my records on that > >> > thing. Lord, what a shellac grinder that thing was! > >> > > >> > But it had a really neat amplifier. Push-Pull 2A3's. > >> > > >> > > >> >> [Original Message] > >> >> From: Albert <[email protected]> > >> >> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > >> >> Date: 3/25/2008 10:32:45 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > >> >> > >> >> The P-12 is a great early Jukebox. The only thing you will need to do > > is > >> >> lighten the tone arm and install a modern cartridge. This will enable > >> >> you > >> >> play your 78s without going through the grooves like a plow. If it > > has > >> >> the > >> >> original amplifier you will find it has a very smooth tone with great > >> >> fidelity and volume. Subscribe to Always Jukin' There are hundreds of > >> >> dealers and jukebox enthusiasts out there. It is my passion. I have > > 13 > >> >> pre > >> >> war Wurlitzers and well as Seeburgs and Rockolas. My best source for > >> >> Parts > >> >> is "Musical fun for everyone" Bill Butterfield in Napa California. > >> >> Al > >> >> Menashe > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Ken and Brenda Brekke" <[email protected]> > >> >> To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:01 PM > >> >> Subject: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I recently was able to purchase a 1934 Wurlitzer P-12 jukebox. Can > >> >> >anyone > >> >> > on this list refer me to where I can purchase any service manuals or > >> >> > parts? > >> >> > Thanks in advance, Ken B. > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Phono-L mailing list > >> >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> >> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: > >> >> > 8/15/2007 > >> >> > 4:55 PM > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Phono-L mailing list > >> >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Phono-L mailing list > >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Wed Mar 26 20:55:32 2008 From: [email protected] (Robert Wright) Date: Wed Mar 26 21:15:25 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Wurlitzer P-12 References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> *uhff* Wow, Doug. That Mac system sounds positively delicious. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Houston" <[email protected]> For auditioning the records, I have a Garrard transcription table, playing into a Mcintosh mono preamp, feeding a Mac 30 amplifier. It drives an E-V 12TRXB in an Aristocrat cabinet. It brings out the best in the shellac platters. Audio stuff is a lot of fun.
