Ron: Of all people on this planet, I'm probably the least to comment intelligently about playing DD's on anything but an Edison phonograph. But, since, for instance, the Brunswick Ultona head plays a DD, and the disc carries the stylus across the record, it does so on an angle not done on an Edison player. The modulaion of the groove is then read at an angle. Since Edison's stylus reads the modulation on a 90 degree angle to the disc, does this degrade the quality (fidelity) of the recording, and would the playing angle have a detrimental effect to the disc, for the same number of plays? I'm drawing from memory, because I haven't owned a Brunswick phonograph for some years, but I seem to remember that the B'wick head plays the DD at an angle, as any oher of the "twist around" boxes did. And, by the way, while the Brunswick phono I had was in very good shape, the DD I played on it sounded far poorer than it had sounded on a DD player I once had.
I'm assuming of course, that the stylus pressure of the Ultona (or any other head) would be similar to that of a DD player. We all know that Edison frowned upon anything but his players to play his records, but was there any technical substance to this, or was it simply Madison Avenue hype? > [Original Message] > From: Ron L <[email protected]> > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Date: 4/10/2008 12:07:50 PM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > > Well, you can't use a DD reproducer on anything but a DD. You could use a > suitable adaptor in place of the DD reproducer, however to play another > brand vertical record on the DD machine. > > Diamond discs are not designed to propel the arm across the record. However > if the machine is nice and level and the arm is very free swinging, it will > work. I don't know if there is anything to be gained or lost sonically. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of james n. vandrisse > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:50 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > > (J.M.J.) > > What would the pro and cons be regarding the playing of other company > vertical records on a C-19 or C-250 machine? And what about playing DDs on > any other machines that the sound box can be turned to play vertical records > with a saphire stylus? Are there any possible damages to records to be done, > or any real fidelty or presences increased especially if playing Pathe, > Lyric, Okeh, or other verticals through the 250 horn? I would like to try > this on my machines but am waiting for any advise. Maybe I am best to just > continue to play records, as I have been, on the proper machines? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Thu Apr 10 13:07:15 2008 From: [email protected] (Ron L) Date: Thu Apr 10 13:07:44 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I don't have an Ultona head, I only have the simpler one sided one. The actual Ultona, as I remember it has a needle bar that looks just like a DD arrangement. I believe the head can swivel as well to mimic DD geometry. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Douglas Houston Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:01 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? Ron: Of all people on this planet, I'm probably the least to comment intelligently about playing DD's on anything but an Edison phonograph. But, since, for instance, the Brunswick Ultona head plays a DD, and the disc carries the stylus across the record, it does so on an angle not done on an Edison player. The modulaion of the groove is then read at an angle. Since Edison's stylus reads the modulation on a 90 degree angle to the disc, does this degrade the quality (fidelity) of the recording, and would the playing angle have a detrimental effect to the disc, for the same number of plays? I'm drawing from memory, because I haven't owned a Brunswick phonograph for some years, but I seem to remember that the B'wick head plays the DD at an angle, as any oher of the "twist around" boxes did. And, by the way, while the Brunswick phono I had was in very good shape, the DD I played on it sounded far poorer than it had sounded on a DD player I once had. I'm assuming of course, that the stylus pressure of the Ultona (or any other head) would be similar to that of a DD player. We all know that Edison frowned upon anything but his players to play his records, but was there any technical substance to this, or was it simply Madison Avenue hype? > [Original Message] > From: Ron L <[email protected]> > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > Date: 4/10/2008 12:07:50 PM > Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > > Well, you can't use a DD reproducer on anything but a DD. You could use a > suitable adaptor in place of the DD reproducer, however to play another > brand vertical record on the DD machine. > > Diamond discs are not designed to propel the arm across the record. However > if the machine is nice and level and the arm is very free swinging, it will > work. I don't know if there is anything to be gained or lost sonically. > > Ron L > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of james n. vandrisse > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:50 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Phono-L] Vertical on DD, Edison on saphire? > > (J.M.J.) > > What would the pro and cons be regarding the playing of other company > vertical records on a C-19 or C-250 machine? And what about playing DDs on > any other machines that the sound box can be turned to play vertical records > with a saphire stylus? Are there any possible damages to records to be done, > or any real fidelty or presences increased especially if playing Pathe, > Lyric, Okeh, or other verticals through the 250 horn? I would like to try > this on my machines but am waiting for any advise. Maybe I am best to just > continue to play records, as I have been, on the proper machines? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
