Well on the other hand if you list your Phonos on their adult (porn?) side you can take a MO. I'm afraid this P.P only will have be detrimental for collectors. Many folks may use different venue's such as this to sell. At the end of the day it should be* your* choice as a buyer or seller to paid anyway you want.... I'd love to see data six months from now on how many have registered as new and how many have de-registered. Data over say three years. Any bets?
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Douglas Houston <[email protected]>wrote: > Purely and simply, eBay has gotten too big for their breeches. PayPal is > their banking arm, and they want more and more cut from the sales. It may > be that there is buyer protection if PP is used, but considering eBay's > policy of: "If you're screwed, tough gazotz", the notion of any extended > comfort for the buyer is purely a joke. I've been swindled by a seller, and > eBay's "Fair Trade" is the sham that one would expect it to be. Whether or > not, their policy will damage them, remains to be seen. They probably > figure that they have a strong enough PayPal base to maintain sales levels > strongly enough to thumb their snoots at those of us who don't use Pay Pal. > There may be more noses to thumb at them than they expect. Time will tell > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]> > > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > > Date: 11/14/2008 1:58:25 PM > > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay > > > > As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at eBay. > > I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful purpose. It seems > that > > buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as I write this > is > > eBay does not release the seller address unless through Paypal...!! At > > least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller (he said no Paypal in > > his description). > > Starting in January as I understand it any mention of cash, money order > and > > the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting in 2012 Paypal > > will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or more > > transactions per year. > > > > This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much from eBay so I > > may stand corrected. > > > > The question is how will eBay grow and attract more buyers? Will new > people > > registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. Many will not. > > Of those already registered how many do not do have Paypal. After years > of > > pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to eBay will > they? > > How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this in a declining > > economy ? > > Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. Use photobucket > or > > Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just put the link in > your > > email. > > > > Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. Looking for > more > > thoughts. > > Mike > > aka Oldcranky > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From [email protected] Fri Nov 14 14:02:17 2008 From: [email protected] (Daniel Melvin) Date: Fri Nov 14 14:02:29 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I don't sell on ebay but I have bought a number of things on ebay and as a buyer I do prefer using PayPal over all other methods of payment. Mostly is it easy and it costs me nothing to do. And, the buyer never knows my credit card or bank acocunt information. If I weren't so lazy I could send checks, but it costs 42 cents each and I'm lazy. I just don't like doing it. And, I don't like strangers having my checking account routing and account numbers. I do understand why so many sellers resist it especially when it's made mandatory by ebay. It's a bit kind of expensive on the sellers side. However, on the other hand I usually won't look at an ebay auction that does not take PayPal. So, I think using PayPal likely ups the audience at least when dealing with people like me. I guess all this is a mute point at least for eaby. If you notice now, all sellers have to take PayPal now. The payment options don't even seem to appear any longer. Dan On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> wrote: > Well on the other hand if you list your Phonos on their adult (porn?) side > you can take a MO. > I'm afraid this P.P only will have be detrimental for collectors. Many > folks > may use different venue's such as this to sell. At the end of the day it > should be* your* choice as a buyer or seller to paid anyway you want.... > I'd love to see data six months from now on how many have registered as new > and how many have de-registered. Data over say three years. Any bets? > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Douglas Houston <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Purely and simply, eBay has gotten too big for their breeches. PayPal is > > their banking arm, and they want more and more cut from the sales. It may > > be that there is buyer protection if PP is used, but considering eBay's > > policy of: "If you're screwed, tough gazotz", the notion of any extended > > comfort for the buyer is purely a joke. I've been swindled by a seller, > and > > eBay's "Fair Trade" is the sham that one would expect it to be. Whether > or > > not, their policy will damage them, remains to be seen. They probably > > figure that they have a strong enough PayPal base to maintain sales > levels > > strongly enough to thumb their snoots at those of us who don't use Pay > Pal. > > There may be more noses to thumb at them than they expect. Time will tell > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]> > > > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > > > Date: 11/14/2008 1:58:25 PM > > > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay > > > > > > As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at eBay. > > > I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful purpose. It seems > > that > > > buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as I write this > > is > > > eBay does not release the seller address unless through Paypal...!! At > > > least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller (he said no Paypal > in > > > his description). > > > Starting in January as I understand it any mention of cash, money order > > and > > > the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting in 2012 > Paypal > > > will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or more > > > transactions per year. > > > > > > This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much from eBay so > I > > > may stand corrected. > > > > > > The question is how will eBay grow and attract more buyers? Will new > > people > > > registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. Many will not. > > > Of those already registered how many do not do have Paypal. After years > > of > > > pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to eBay will > > they? > > > How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this in a > declining > > > economy ? > > > Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. Use photobucket > > or > > > Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just put the link in > > your > > > email. > > > > > > Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. Looking for > > more > > > thoughts. > > > Mike > > > aka Oldcranky > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From [email protected] Fri Nov 14 14:45:57 2008 From: [email protected] (Mike Stitt) Date: Fri Nov 14 14:46:25 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> That is the point of the email. eBay makes the seller take *nothing *but Paypal. You may find that those who don't like paypal won't play. You see my point isn't about eBay and their policy it is about what will happen to a market that provides a good resource for collectors. That is to say if forced P.P fees and eBay fees may be high enough to make others think about not using eBay. Maybe the antique mall or sell at shows or better yet Craigs list. Further if less new buyers (blood) don't enter the market and other leave you may see the pickins at eBay dwindle. Less choice is never good. BTW I have a Paypal account and I am not comfortable about it. I rather give a CC number out that has protection than have a checking account always open to paypal or???? As to the postage stamp in the world of phonographs no big deal. Last on those small items like say a crank or a brake or a needle tin, with PP and eBay fees some may say it is not just worth it...to list...! On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Daniel Melvin <[email protected]>wrote: > I don't sell on ebay but I have bought a number of things on ebay and as a > buyer I do prefer using PayPal over all other methods of payment. Mostly is > it easy and it costs me nothing to do. And, the buyer never knows my credit > card or bank acocunt information. If I weren't so lazy I could send checks, > but it costs 42 cents each and I'm lazy. I just don't like doing it. And, I > don't like strangers having my checking account routing and account > numbers. > > I do understand why so many sellers resist it especially when it's made > mandatory by ebay. It's a bit kind of expensive on the sellers side. > However, on the other hand I usually won't look at an ebay auction that > does > not take PayPal. So, I think using PayPal likely ups the audience at least > when dealing with people like me. I guess all this is a mute point at least > for eaby. If you notice now, all sellers have to take PayPal now. The > payment options don't even seem to appear any longer. > > Dan > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well on the other hand if you list your Phonos on their adult (porn?) > side > > you can take a MO. > > I'm afraid this P.P only will have be detrimental for collectors. Many > > folks > > may use different venue's such as this to sell. At the end of the day it > > should be* your* choice as a buyer or seller to paid anyway you want.... > > I'd love to see data six months from now on how many have registered as > new > > and how many have de-registered. Data over say three years. Any bets? > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Douglas Houston <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > Purely and simply, eBay has gotten too big for their breeches. PayPal > is > > > their banking arm, and they want more and more cut from the sales. It > may > > > be that there is buyer protection if PP is used, but considering eBay's > > > policy of: "If you're screwed, tough gazotz", the notion of any > extended > > > comfort for the buyer is purely a joke. I've been swindled by a seller, > > and > > > eBay's "Fair Trade" is the sham that one would expect it to be. > Whether > > or > > > not, their policy will damage them, remains to be seen. They probably > > > figure that they have a strong enough PayPal base to maintain sales > > levels > > > strongly enough to thumb their snoots at those of us who don't use Pay > > Pal. > > > There may be more noses to thumb at them than they expect. Time will > tell > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]> > > > > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > > > > Date: 11/14/2008 1:58:25 PM > > > > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay > > > > > > > > As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at eBay. > > > > I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful purpose. It seems > > > that > > > > buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as I write > this > > > is > > > > eBay does not release the seller address unless through Paypal...!! > At > > > > least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller (he said no > Paypal > > in > > > > his description). > > > > Starting in January as I understand it any mention of cash, money > order > > > and > > > > the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting in 2012 > > Paypal > > > > will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or more > > > > transactions per year. > > > > > > > > This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much from eBay > so > > I > > > > may stand corrected. > > > > > > > > The question is how will eBay grow and attract more buyers? Will new > > > people > > > > registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. Many will not. > > > > Of those already registered how many do not do have Paypal. After > years > > > of > > > > pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to eBay will > > > they? > > > > How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this in a > > declining > > > > economy ? > > > > Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. Use > photobucket > > > or > > > > Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just put the link > in > > > your > > > > email. > > > > > > > > Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. Looking for > > > more > > > > thoughts. > > > > Mike > > > > aka Oldcranky > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From [email protected] Fri Nov 14 14:49:00 2008 From: [email protected] (Rich) Date: Fri Nov 14 14:49:43 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> For those that are real curious as to why eBay has decided that all transactions will be through PayPal, its real simple. How much money is changing hands through eBay every year? Now, how much sales tax and income tax is collected from all this $$$? Our illegitimate uncle in Washington and various state capitols wants their cut of the $$ and the feds have issued regulations that say that if eBay does not report all of these transactions they will be liable for all of the tax due. This has been reported in the MSM by the way. Blame the group responsible, its not eBay. Daniel Melvin wrote: > I don't sell on ebay but I have bought a number of things on ebay and as a > buyer I do prefer using PayPal over all other methods of payment. Mostly is > it easy and it costs me nothing to do. And, the buyer never knows my credit > card or bank acocunt information. If I weren't so lazy I could send checks, > but it costs 42 cents each and I'm lazy. I just don't like doing it. And, I > don't like strangers having my checking account routing and account numbers. > > I do understand why so many sellers resist it especially when it's made > mandatory by ebay. It's a bit kind of expensive on the sellers side. > However, on the other hand I usually won't look at an ebay auction that does > not take PayPal. So, I think using PayPal likely ups the audience at least > when dealing with people like me. I guess all this is a mute point at least > for eaby. If you notice now, all sellers have to take PayPal now. The > payment options don't even seem to appear any longer. > > Dan > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well on the other hand if you list your Phonos on their adult (porn?) side >> you can take a MO. >> I'm afraid this P.P only will have be detrimental for collectors. Many >> folks >> may use different venue's such as this to sell. At the end of the day it >> should be* your* choice as a buyer or seller to paid anyway you want.... >> I'd love to see data six months from now on how many have registered as new >> and how many have de-registered. Data over say three years. Any bets? >> >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Douglas Houston <[email protected] >>> wrote: >>> Purely and simply, eBay has gotten too big for their breeches. PayPal is >>> their banking arm, and they want more and more cut from the sales. It may >>> be that there is buyer protection if PP is used, but considering eBay's >>> policy of: "If you're screwed, tough gazotz", the notion of any extended >>> comfort for the buyer is purely a joke. I've been swindled by a seller, >> and >>> eBay's "Fair Trade" is the sham that one would expect it to be. Whether >> or >>> not, their policy will damage them, remains to be seen. They probably >>> figure that they have a strong enough PayPal base to maintain sales >> levels >>> strongly enough to thumb their snoots at those of us who don't use Pay >> Pal. >>> There may be more noses to thumb at them than they expect. Time will tell >>> >>> >>>> [Original Message] >>>> From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]> >>>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 11/14/2008 1:58:25 PM >>>> Subject: [Phono-L] eBay >>>> >>>> As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at eBay. >>>> I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful purpose. It seems >>> that >>>> buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as I write this >>> is >>>> eBay does not release the seller address unless through Paypal...!! At >>>> least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller (he said no Paypal >> in >>>> his description). >>>> Starting in January as I understand it any mention of cash, money order >>> and >>>> the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting in 2012 >> Paypal >>>> will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or more >>>> transactions per year. >>>> >>>> This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much from eBay so >> I >>>> may stand corrected. >>>> >>>> The question is how will eBay grow and attract more buyers? Will new >>> people >>>> registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. Many will not. >>>> Of those already registered how many do not do have Paypal. After years >>> of >>>> pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to eBay will >>> they? >>>> How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this in a >> declining >>>> economy ? >>>> Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. Use photobucket >>> or >>>> Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just put the link in >>> your >>>> email. >>>> >>>> Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. Looking for >>> more >>>> thoughts. >>>> Mike >>>> aka Oldcranky >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Fri Nov 14 16:51:25 2008 From: [email protected] (Mike Stitt) Date: Fri Nov 14 16:51:39 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I can't find that report nor has eBay best I can tell in their boards indicate the rational. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > For those that are real curious as to why eBay has decided that all > transactions will be through PayPal, its real simple. How much money is > changing hands through eBay every year? Now, how much sales tax and income > tax is collected from all this $$$? Our illegitimate uncle in Washington > and various state capitols wants their cut of the $$ and the feds have > issued regulations that say that if eBay does not report all of these > transactions they will be liable for all of the tax due. This has been > reported in the MSM by the way. Blame the group responsible, its not eBay. > > > Daniel Melvin wrote: > >> I don't sell on ebay but I have bought a number of things on ebay and as a >> buyer I do prefer using PayPal over all other methods of payment. Mostly >> is >> it easy and it costs me nothing to do. And, the buyer never knows my >> credit >> card or bank acocunt information. If I weren't so lazy I could send >> checks, >> but it costs 42 cents each and I'm lazy. I just don't like doing it. And, >> I >> don't like strangers having my checking account routing and account >> numbers. >> >> I do understand why so many sellers resist it especially when it's made >> mandatory by ebay. It's a bit kind of expensive on the sellers side. >> However, on the other hand I usually won't look at an ebay auction that >> does >> not take PayPal. So, I think using PayPal likely ups the audience at least >> when dealing with people like me. I guess all this is a mute point at >> least >> for eaby. If you notice now, all sellers have to take PayPal now. The >> payment options don't even seem to appear any longer. >> >> Dan >> >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well on the other hand if you list your Phonos on their adult (porn?) >>> side >>> you can take a MO. >>> I'm afraid this P.P only will have be detrimental for collectors. Many >>> folks >>> may use different venue's such as this to sell. At the end of the day it >>> should be* your* choice as a buyer or seller to paid anyway you want.... >>> I'd love to see data six months from now on how many have registered as >>> new >>> and how many have de-registered. Data over say three years. Any bets? >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Douglas Houston <[email protected] >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> Purely and simply, eBay has gotten too big for their breeches. PayPal is >>>> their banking arm, and they want more and more cut from the sales. It >>>> may >>>> be that there is buyer protection if PP is used, but considering eBay's >>>> policy of: "If you're screwed, tough gazotz", the notion of any extended >>>> comfort for the buyer is purely a joke. I've been swindled by a seller, >>>> >>> and >>> >>>> eBay's "Fair Trade" is the sham that one would expect it to be. Whether >>>> >>> or >>> >>>> not, their policy will damage them, remains to be seen. They probably >>>> figure that they have a strong enough PayPal base to maintain sales >>>> >>> levels >>> >>>> strongly enough to thumb their snoots at those of us who don't use Pay >>>> >>> Pal. >>> >>>> There may be more noses to thumb at them than they expect. Time will >>>> tell >>>> >>>> >>>> [Original Message] >>>>> From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 11/14/2008 1:58:25 PM >>>>> Subject: [Phono-L] eBay >>>>> >>>>> As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at eBay. >>>>> I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful purpose. It seems >>>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>>> buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as I write this >>>>> >>>> is >>>> >>>>> eBay does not release the seller address unless through Paypal...!! At >>>>> least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller (he said no Paypal >>>>> >>>> in >>> >>>> his description). >>>>> Starting in January as I understand it any mention of cash, money order >>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>> the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting in 2012 >>>>> >>>> Paypal >>> >>>> will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or more >>>>> transactions per year. >>>>> >>>>> This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much from eBay so >>>>> >>>> I >>> >>>> may stand corrected. >>>>> >>>>> The question is how will eBay grow and attract more buyers? Will new >>>>> >>>> people >>>> >>>>> registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. Many will not. >>>>> Of those already registered how many do not do have Paypal. After years >>>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>>> pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to eBay will >>>>> >>>> they? >>>> >>>>> How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this in a >>>>> >>>> declining >>> >>>> economy ? >>>>> Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. Use photobucket >>>>> >>>> or >>>> >>>>> Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just put the link in >>>>> >>>> your >>>> >>>>> email. >>>>> >>>>> Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. Looking for >>>>> >>>> more >>>> >>>>> thoughts. >>>>> Mike >>>>> aka Oldcranky >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > From [email protected] Fri Nov 14 18:51:22 2008 From: [email protected] (buck Buchanan) Date: Fri Nov 14 18:58:27 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I have been using ebay for a number of years and I have watched the fees climb for the sellers to the point that they have lost many of the dealers that used to be on this website. Now that they are forcing them to use Paypal I expect them to lose another 25% of the current sellers. Being an ex-flea market person the profit is very little on this type of a system if your over-head increases and you can't pass it on to the individual that is buying the item then you go out of business. I have never used another site for bidding on records and I am also new at collecting records does anybody know another auction website where I can start looking for the older 78's and misc items from the Victorian period? Thank you Bill Buchanan --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 7:51 PM I can't find that report nor has eBay best I can tell in their boards indicate the rational. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > For those that are real curious as to why eBay has decided that all > transactions will be through PayPal, its real simple. How much money is > changing hands through eBay every year? Now, how much sales tax and income > tax is collected from all this $$$? Our illegitimate uncle in Washington > and various state capitols wants their cut of the $$ and the feds have > issued regulations that say that if eBay does not report all of these > transactions they will be liable for all of the tax due. This has been > reported in the MSM by the way. Blame the group responsible, its not eBay. > > > Daniel Melvin wrote: > >> I don't sell on ebay but I have bought a number of things on ebay and as a >> buyer I do prefer using PayPal over all other methods of payment. Mostly >> is >> it easy and it costs me nothing to do. And, the buyer never knows my >> credit >> card or bank acocunt information. If I weren't so lazy I could send >> checks, >> but it costs 42 cents each and I'm lazy. I just don't like doing it. And, >> I >> don't like strangers having my checking account routing and account >> numbers. >> >> I do understand why so many sellers resist it especially when it's made >> mandatory by ebay. It's a bit kind of expensive on the sellers side. >> However, on the other hand I usually won't look at an ebay auction that >> does >> not take PayPal. So, I think using PayPal likely ups the audience at least >> when dealing with people like me. I guess all this is a mute point at >> least >> for eaby. If you notice now, all sellers have to take PayPal now. The >> payment options don't even seem to appear any longer. >> >> Dan >> >> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well on the other hand if you list your Phonos on their adult (porn?) >>> side >>> you can take a MO. >>> I'm afraid this P.P only will have be detrimental for collectors. Many >>> folks >>> may use different venue's such as this to sell. At the end of the day it >>> should be* your* choice as a buyer or seller to paid anyway you want.... >>> I'd love to see data six months from now on how many have registered as >>> new >>> and how many have de-registered. Data over say three years. Any bets? >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Douglas Houston <[email protected] >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> Purely and simply, eBay has gotten too big for their breeches. PayPal is >>>> their banking arm, and they want more and more cut from the sales. It >>>> may >>>> be that there is buyer protection if PP is used, but considering eBay's >>>> policy of: "If you're screwed, tough gazotz", the notion of any extended >>>> comfort for the buyer is purely a joke. I've been swindled by a seller, >>>> >>> and >>> >>>> eBay's "Fair Trade" is the sham that one would expect it to be. Whether >>>> >>> or >>> >>>> not, their policy will damage them, remains to be seen. They probably >>>> figure that they have a strong enough PayPal base to maintain sales >>>> >>> levels >>> >>>> strongly enough to thumb their snoots at those of us who don't use Pay >>>> >>> Pal. >>> >>>> There may be more noses to thumb at them than they expect. Time will >>>> tell >>>> >>>> >>>> [Original Message] >>>>> From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]> >>>>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 11/14/2008 1:58:25 PM >>>>> Subject: [Phono-L] eBay >>>>> >>>>> As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at eBay. >>>>> I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful purpose. It seems >>>>> >>>> that >>>> >>>>> buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as I write this >>>>> >>>> is >>>> >>>>> eBay does not release the seller address unless through Paypal...!! At >>>>> least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller (he said no Paypal >>>>> >>>> in >>> >>>> his description). >>>>> Starting in January as I understand it any mention of cash, money order >>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>> the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting in 2012 >>>>> >>>> Paypal >>> >>>> will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or more >>>>> transactions per year. >>>>> >>>>> This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much from eBay so >>>>> >>>> I >>> >>>> may stand corrected. >>>>> >>>>> The question is how will eBay grow and attract more buyers? Will new >>>>> >>>> people >>>> >>>>> registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. Many will not. >>>>> Of those already registered how many do not do have Paypal. After years >>>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>>> pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to eBay will >>>>> >>>> they? >>>> >>>>> How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this in a >>>>> >>>> declining >>> >>>> economy ? >>>>> Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. Use photobucket >>>>> >>>> or >>>> >>>>> Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just put the link in >>>>> >>>> your >>>> >>>>> email. >>>>> >>>>> Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. Looking for >>>>> >>>> more >>>> >>>>> thoughts. >>>>> Mike >>>>> aka Oldcranky >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Nov 14 19:56:36 2008 From: [email protected] (Kat Hall) Date: Fri Nov 14 19:56:59 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <00fd6b80d2714233b30f057846279...@kathallpc> What records are you looking for? I sold lots that my mother had and I have found lots more. Even one sided ones. I know that I have even more someplace but as I slowly get through everything, I will know exactly what I have. >From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Review Coordinator www.champagnebooks.com www.carnalpassions.com www.thewritersvineyard.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "buck Buchanan" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:51 PM To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay > I have been using ebay for a number of years and I have watched the fees > climb for the sellers to the point that they have lost many of the dealers > that used to be on this website. > Now that they are forcing them to use Paypal I expect them to lose another > 25% of the current sellers. Being an ex-flea market person the profit is > very little on this type of a system if your over-head increases and you > can't pass it on to the individual that is buying the item then you go out > of business. > I have never used another site for bidding on records and I am also new at > collecting records does anybody know another auction website where I can > start looking for the older 78's and misc items from the Victorian period? > > Thank you > Bill Buchanan > > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 7:51 PM > > I can't find that report nor has eBay best I can tell in their boards > indicate the rational. > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > >> For those that are real curious as to why eBay has decided that all >> transactions will be through PayPal, its real simple. How much money is >> changing hands through eBay every year? Now, how much sales tax and >> income >> tax is collected from all this $$$? Our illegitimate uncle in Washington >> and various state capitols wants their cut of the $$ and the feds have >> issued regulations that say that if eBay does not report all of these >> transactions they will be liable for all of the tax due. This has been >> reported in the MSM by the way. Blame the group responsible, its not > eBay. >> >> >> Daniel Melvin wrote: >> >>> I don't sell on ebay but I have bought a number of things on ebay > and as a >>> buyer I do prefer using PayPal over all other methods of payment. > Mostly >>> is >>> it easy and it costs me nothing to do. And, the buyer never knows my >>> credit >>> card or bank acocunt information. If I weren't so lazy I could > send >>> checks, >>> but it costs 42 cents each and I'm lazy. I just don't like > doing it. And, >>> I >>> don't like strangers having my checking account routing and > account >>> numbers. >>> >>> I do understand why so many sellers resist it especially when it's > made >>> mandatory by ebay. It's a bit kind of expensive on the sellers > side. >>> However, on the other hand I usually won't look at an ebay auction > that >>> does >>> not take PayPal. So, I think using PayPal likely ups the audience at > least >>> when dealing with people like me. I guess all this is a mute point at >>> least >>> for eaby. If you notice now, all sellers have to take PayPal now. The >>> payment options don't even seem to appear any longer. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> > wrote: >>> >>> Well on the other hand if you list your Phonos on their adult (porn?) >>>> side >>>> you can take a MO. >>>> I'm afraid this P.P only will have be detrimental for > collectors. Many >>>> folks >>>> may use different venue's such as this to sell. At the end of > the day it >>>> should be* your* choice as a buyer or seller to paid anyway you > want.... >>>> I'd love to see data six months from now on how many have > registered as >>>> new >>>> and how many have de-registered. Data over say three years. Any > bets? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Douglas Houston > <[email protected] >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Purely and simply, eBay has gotten too big for their breeches. > PayPal is >>>>> their banking arm, and they want more and more cut from the > sales. It >>>>> may >>>>> be that there is buyer protection if PP is used, but > considering eBay's >>>>> policy of: "If you're screwed, tough gazotz", > the notion of any extended >>>>> comfort for the buyer is purely a joke. I've been swindled > by a seller, >>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>> eBay's "Fair Trade" is the sham that one would > expect it to be. Whether >>>>> >>>> or >>>> >>>>> not, their policy will damage them, remains to be seen. They > probably >>>>> figure that they have a strong enough PayPal base to maintain > sales >>>>> >>>> levels >>>> >>>>> strongly enough to thumb their snoots at those of us who > don't use Pay >>>>> >>>> Pal. >>>> >>>>> There may be more noses to thumb at them than they expect. > Time will >>>>> tell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Original Message] >>>>>> From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: 11/14/2008 1:58:25 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Phono-L] eBay >>>>>> >>>>>> As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at > eBay. >>>>>> I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful > purpose. It seems >>>>>> >>>>> that >>>>> >>>>>> buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as > I write this >>>>>> >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>>> eBay does not release the seller address unless through > Paypal...!! At >>>>>> least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller > (he said no Paypal >>>>>> >>>>> in >>>> >>>>> his description). >>>>>> Starting in January as I understand it any mention of > cash, money order >>>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>>> the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting > in 2012 >>>>>> >>>>> Paypal >>>> >>>>> will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or > more >>>>>> transactions per year. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much > from eBay so >>>>>> >>>>> I >>>> >>>>> may stand corrected. >>>>>> >>>>>> The question is how will eBay grow and attract more > buyers? Will new >>>>>> >>>>> people >>>>> >>>>>> registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. > Many will not. >>>>>> Of those already registered how many do not do have > Paypal. After years >>>>>> >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>>> pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to > eBay will >>>>>> >>>>> they? >>>>> >>>>>> How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this > in a >>>>>> >>>>> declining >>>> >>>>> economy ? >>>>>> Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. > Use photobucket >>>>>> >>>>> or >>>>> >>>>>> Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just > put the link in >>>>>> >>>>> your >>>>> >>>>>> email. >>>>>> >>>>>> Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. > Looking for >>>>>> >>>>> more >>>>> >>>>>> thoughts. >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> aka Oldcranky >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
