Bill, First let me formally thank you for your service to this country.
Second, there's a website some of you may know about that caters to the high-end hifi audiophile types (easy, Greg!) called AudiogoN (put a www and a com with a couple of dots in there to see what it's about), and it's been a godsend for me while putting together my front room system (which I also use for mastering). It's more set sales than auctions, but there's plenty of those too, and quite a few dealers work through there as well. I've saved about 75% of retail on the gear in my system thanks to that site. It's free of any glitzy graphics -- very utilitarian approach... PayPal is welcomed but not connected/sanctioned/tied in like it is with eBay, and saying in your listing that PayPal users must include an additional 3% if perfectly fine. It's grouped into categories and sub-categories so you can easily find what you're looking for. It's well-known in the audiophile community and sustains itself (listing fees were FAR below eBay's last time I sold something there), and when you contact someone for a transaction, you exchange emails directly instead of being 'monitored' by the site's powers that be. Has anyone tried, or would anyone be willing to try, setting up a site like AudiogoN for phono collectors? I'd be very suprised if there were more people trading $10,000 turntables and $130,000 speakers than those of us trading phonographs/parts/etc. Just a thought. A little advertising and involvement from one Union show would put it in view of a large percentage of its potential users. Any web gurus out there interested? Best, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "buck Buchanan" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay >I have been using ebay for a number of years and I have watched the fees >climb for the sellers to the point that they have lost many of the dealers >that used to be on this website. > Now that they are forcing them to use Paypal I expect them to lose another > 25% of the current sellers. Being an ex-flea market person the profit is > very little on this type of a system if your over-head increases and you > can't pass it on to the individual that is buying the item then you go out > of business. > I have never used another site for bidding on records and I am also new at > collecting records does anybody know another auction website where I can > start looking for the older 78's and misc items from the Victorian period? > > Thank you > Bill Buchanan > From [email protected] Fri Nov 14 20:27:16 2008 From: [email protected] (Thomas Edison) Date: Fri Nov 14 20:32:34 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Fanbox? In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Looks like someone is using a similar name to mine, but I did not send it. I recieve emails like this, but not in this hotmail account. Fanbox, is similar to myspace.> From: [email protected]> Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 304> To: [email protected]> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:00:07 -0800> > Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to> [email protected]> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> [email protected]> > You can reach the person managing the list at> [email protected]> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..."> > > If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this entire digest in your message.> > Today's Topics:> > 1. valid email? ([email protected])> 2. Re: valid email? (Loran T. Hughes)> 3. RE: Clutch shifting lever bracket (Steven Medved)> 4. Re: valid email? (Daniel Melvin)> 5. Re: valid email? (Kat Hall)> 6. re Victor VI dimension needed (Mario Frazzetto)> 7. Re: re Victor VI dimension needed ([email protected])> 8. Triumph and BGT ([email protected])> 9. Edison Class M (Mike Tucker)> 10. Re: re Victor VI dimension needed ([email protected])> 11. Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish (Mark Lynch)> 12. RE: Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish (Douglas Houston)> 13. Re: Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish (Rich)> 14. Re: re Victor VI dimension needed (Mario Frazzetto)> 15. Re: Edison Class M ([email protected])> 16. RE: Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish (gregory caringi)> 17. Re: Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish ([email protected])> 18. Re: re Victor VI dimension needed (john robles)> 19. Items for Sale........ (Gregory Cline)> 20. eBay (Mike Stitt)> 21. AZ Reproducer question (George)> 22. RE: eBay (Douglas Houston)> 23. Re: eBay (Mike Stitt)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:53:47 EST> From: [email protected]> Subject: [Phono-L] valid email?> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Hi> > I got what seems like a legit email (?), from a phono person (Shawn?), but > thought I would ask first here - this is the text:> > > >> A while back, bluesparkz28963 asked you a question and is waiting for > your answer. Please _view the question_ > (http://optin.fanboxnotes.com/SmoothOptin/Viral/FloatDemo.aspx?srcUser=2NyYg9pt+/e9Hfdp6ex8lA==&cid=29246&AssocData=Yv8t> vE2gPZawhh7w1gLzzQ==&encemail=9ZVkBz969z1Fla3gVL1Ga+GVUgLUa5VG&src=ViralWidget> Email&vet=67&dt=111208&mlid=363395459) and answer it.> It will take just a few seconds, and you can simply answer Yes or No. > from: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) <<> > Is anyone familiar with this method of contact?> > Thanks.> > Allen> > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:07:29 -0800> From: "Loran T. Hughes" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] valid email?> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Spam, IMHO. Email addresses can be spoofed.Loran> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:> > > Hi> >> > I got what seems like a legit email (?), from a phono person (Shawn?),> > but> > thought I would ask first here - this is the text:> >> >> > >> A while back, bluesparkz28963 asked you a question and is waiting for> > your answer. Please _view the question_> > (> > http://optin.fanboxnotes.com/SmoothOptin/Viral/FloatDemo.aspx?srcUser=2NyYg9pt+/e9Hfdp6ex8lA==&cid=29246&AssocData=Yv8t> >> > vE2gPZawhh7w1gLzzQ==&encemail=9ZVkBz969z1Fla3gVL1Ga+GVUgLUa5VG&src=ViralWidget> > Email&vet=67&dt=111208&mlid=363395459) and answer it.> > It will take just a few seconds, and you can simply answer Yes or No.> > from: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])> > <<> >> > Is anyone familiar with this method of contact?> >> > Thanks.> >> > Allen> >> >> > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news &> > more!(> > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:32:20 -0500> From: Steven Medved <[email protected]>> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Clutch shifting lever bracket> To: Phono-l <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > Hello Art,> > I really appreciate you letting me know you enjoyed my reply.> > Steve> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:34:05 -0800> From: "Daniel Melvin" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] valid email?> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > seems a bit iffy to me. I wouldn't click on the link if it were me.> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:> > > Hi> >> > I got what seems like a legit email (?), from a phono person (Shawn?),> > but> > thought I would ask first here - this is the text:> >> >> > >> A while back, bluesparkz28963 asked you a question and is waiting for> > your answer. Please _view the question_> > (> > http://optin.fanboxnotes.com/SmoothOptin/Viral/FloatDemo.aspx?srcUser=2NyYg9pt+/e9Hfdp6ex8lA==&cid=29246&AssocData=Yv8t> >> > vE2gPZawhh7w1gLzzQ==&encemail=9ZVkBz969z1Fla3gVL1Ga+GVUgLUa5VG&src=ViralWidget> > Email&vet=67&dt=111208&mlid=363395459) and answer it.> > It will take just a few seconds, and you can simply answer Yes or No.> > from: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])> > <<> >> > Is anyone familiar with this method of contact?> >> > Thanks.> >> > Allen> >> >> > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news &> > more!(> > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:39:40 -0700> From: "Kat Hall" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] valid email?> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <1bc57b936bf0440bb9977c1ceb147...@kathallpc>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > That is junk mail. I have a hotmail account and get tons of that crap from > every dang application that they have. I hit delete and block but they get > a different app and keep sending it through.> > >From the Desk of> Kat Hall> Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher)> Review Coordinator> www.champagnebooks.com> www.carnalpassions.com> www.thewritersvineyard.com> > --------------------------------------------------> From: "Loran T. Hughes" <[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:07 PM> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] valid email?> > > Spam, IMHO. Email addresses can be spoofed.Loran> >> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:53 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:> >> >> Hi> >>> >> I got what seems like a legit email (?), from a phono person (Shawn?),> >> but> >> thought I would ask first here - this is the text:> >>> >>> >> >> A while back, bluesparkz28963 asked you a question and is waiting for> >> your answer. Please _view the question_> >> (> >> http://optin.fanboxnotes.com/SmoothOptin/Viral/FloatDemo.aspx?srcUser=2NyYg9pt+/e9Hfdp6ex8lA==&cid=29246&AssocData=Yv8t> >>> >> vE2gPZawhh7w1gLzzQ==&encemail=9ZVkBz969z1Fla3gVL1Ga+GVUgLUa5VG&src=ViralWidget> >> Email&vet=67&dt=111208&mlid=363395459) and answer it.> >> It will take just a few seconds, and you can simply answer Yes or No.> >> from: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])> >> <<> >>> >> Is anyone familiar with this method of contact?> >>> >> Thanks.> >>> >> Allen> >>> >>> >> **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news > >> &> >> more!(> >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> >> p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)> >> _______________________________________________> >> Phono-L mailing list> >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >>> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:56:07 +1100> From: "Mario Frazzetto" <[email protected]>> Subject: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> To: "Phonolist" <[email protected]>, "Phono-L"> <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <4465660696744a73bf4b0b70a064f...@frazzettohome>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hi All,> > I'm after a couple of dimensions of a later (second motor) style Victor VI horn machine.> > Could someone please tell me:> > 1. Base dimensions - as in the actual "footprint"> 2. Height (bottom of case to the top of motorboard)> > I really need to get accurate dimensions. > > Thanks in advance for your help!> > Cheers,> Mario> > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:59:16 +0000> From: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID:> <1532786956-1226591940-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-21343261...@bxe197.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>> > Content-Type: text/plain> > Sounds like a msterious project is in the works..> John Robles> ------Original Message------> From: Mario Frazzetto> Sender: [email protected]> To: Phonolist> To: Phono-L> ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List> Subject: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> Sent: Nov 13, 2008 4:56 AM> > Hi All,> > I'm after a couple of dimensions of a later (second motor) style Victor VI horn machine.> > Could someone please tell me:> > 1. Base dimensions - as in the actual "footprint"> 2. Height (bottom of case to the top of motorboard)> > I really need to get accurate dimensions. > > Thanks in advance for your help!> > Cheers,> Mario> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:05:33 EST> From: [email protected]> Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph and BGT> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > Hello all,> > I figured I would post my want list one more time before the holidays in > search of that special gift for ME. > I am looking for a nice Edison Triumph 2/4 machine and/or a Columbia BGT > ---- must have original finish. Looking to put some money in your stocking > before the holidays. If you have a nice piece you are willing to part with > -please contact me off line at:> > [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > > Thank you > > > Pete> **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 9> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:20:19 +1100> From: "Mike Tucker" <[email protected]>> Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Class M> To: "Phono-L Post" <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <c6ba3154c1824d17826462507b543...@mikefb1afb33f4>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hi,> > I would appreciate your posting the following note.> > Mike Tucker> > > A friend and I are in the process of restoring two of the upright coin slots which use the Class M electric motor.> > They are the same as the one described as "Unidentified Class M of about 1905" at page 246 of the latest edition of Frow's cylinder machine book.> > They have the wooden feet instead of the more familiar ball and claw ones and a somewhat similar cabinet to the Majestic.> > I would particularly appreciate any information anyone has as to the correct backboard for these machines (If they had one - our cabinets are in transit, so I can't verify this at the moment), but any information on this or the phonograph generally would be appreciated.> > I can be contacted via Email at [email protected] > > Thanks, Mike Tucker> > ------------------------------> > Message: 10> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:44:42 EST> From: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > IN REGARDS TO DIMENSIONS> you might check with bob baumbach book on the victor data book> it contains all of this i believe or contact bob himself> good luck on the project> > > In a message dated 11/13/2008 8:02:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes:> > Hi All,> > I'm after a couple of dimensions of a later (second motor) style Victor VI > horn machine.> > Could someone please tell me:> > 1. Base dimensions - as in the actual "footprint"> 2. Height (bottom of case to the top of motorboard)> > I really need to get accurate dimensions. > > Thanks in advance for your help!> > Cheers,> Mario> _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 11> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:52:41 -0500> From: "Mark Lynch" <[email protected]>> Subject: [Phono-L] Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII> > > Greetings,> > Does anyone here have experience recreating the brownish-black finish found> on the Edison Opera and Amberola 1B mandrel? > > It appears to be a chemical finish on the brass surface as opposed to a> plated finish. > > I'd be most grateful to talk to someone who has first-hand experience or> can refer me to the right person.> > Best Regards,> Mark> Silver Spring, M> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 12> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:16:23 -0500> From: "Douglas Houston" <[email protected]>> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII> > The use of gun blue on brass will give a brownish-black finish. Test it on> a scrap of brass and see if it's what you want. > > > > [Original Message]> > From: Mark Lynch <[email protected]>> > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>> > Date: 11/13/2008 10:04:39 PM> > Subject: [Phono-L] Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish> >> >> > Greetings,> >> > Does anyone here have experience recreating the brownish-black finish> found> > on the Edison Opera and Amberola 1B mandrel? > >> > It appears to be a chemical finish on the brass surface as opposed to a> > plated finish. > >> > I'd be most grateful to talk to someone who has first-hand experience or> > can refer me to the right person.> >> > Best Regards,> > Mark> > Silver Spring, M> >> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 13> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:16:24 -0600> From: Rich <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > The proper finish for the 1b is gunmetal but use wears it off back to > the brass. The Opera is oxidized bronze. I have redone several.> > Rich> > Mark Lynch wrote:> > Greetings,> > > > Does anyone here have experience recreating the brownish-black finish found> > on the Edison Opera and Amberola 1B mandrel? > > > > It appears to be a chemical finish on the brass surface as opposed to a> > plated finish. > > > > I'd be most grateful to talk to someone who has first-hand experience or> > can refer me to the right person.> > > > Best Regards,> > Mark> > Silver Spring, M> > > > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 14> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:54:08 +1100> From: "Mario Frazzetto" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <a72190db38284b4ca16e46326dc74...@frazzettohome>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Hey John just trying to make a cabinet/stand to suit my Victor 6 (earlier > style) but wanted to make sure both VI's would fit ...> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:59 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> > > > Sounds like a msterious project is in the works..> > John Robles> > ------Original Message------> > From: Mario Frazzetto> > Sender: [email protected]> > To: Phonolist> > To: Phono-L> > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List> > Subject: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> > Sent: Nov 13, 2008 4:56 AM> >> > Hi All,> >> > I'm after a couple of dimensions of a later (second motor) style Victor VI > > horn machine.> >> > Could someone please tell me:> >> > 1. Base dimensions - as in the actual "footprint"> > 2. Height (bottom of case to the top of motorboard)> >> > I really need to get accurate dimensions.> >> > Thanks in advance for your help!> >> > Cheers,> > Mario> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> >> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 15> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:27:31 EST> From: [email protected]> Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Edison Class M> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > I hope the list can provide Mike Tucker with the information he needs. > > He sent me some photos of reproduction M electric motors that look perfect in > every detail. He has an extra one for sale and I would endorse it for anyone > missing the original motor. Once installed I doubt you could tell the > difference from an original except for the missing 100+ years of grime. These were > not inexpensive to make in small number but are well worth the price when one > considers the rarity of the M electric phonographs; and, a complete running > machine is vastly desirable over a non-functioning one.> > Best Wishes to all on the list,> > Al> > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 16> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:52:44 -0500> From: "gregory caringi" <[email protected]>> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed> > Steve Farmer. There is no one better at reproducing the unusual metal > finishes on old Edison and Victor machines. He did a beautiful job > recreating the oxidized copper finish on my Victor R. Contact him at: > [email protected]> > > >From: "Mark Lynch" <[email protected]>> >Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>> >To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> >Subject: [Phono-L] Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish> >Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:52:41 -0500> >> >> >Greetings,> >> >Does anyone here have experience recreating the brownish-black finish found> >on the Edison Opera and Amberola 1B mandrel?> >> >It appears to be a chemical finish on the brass surface as opposed to a> >plated finish.> >> >I'd be most grateful to talk to someone who has first-hand experience or> >can refer me to the right person.> >> >Best Regards,> >Mark> >Silver Spring, M> >> >_______________________________________________> >Phono-L mailing list> >http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 17> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:59:44 EST> From: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > HI> You might also check with steve farmer in oregon or washington state> he redoes a lot of oxidized finishes for restorers> > > > In a message dated 11/13/2008 10:08:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes:> > > Greetings,> > Does anyone here have experience recreating the brownish-black finish found> on the Edison Opera and Amberola 1B mandrel? > > It appears to be a chemical finish on the brass surface as opposed to a> plated finish. > > I'd be most grateful to talk to someone who has first-hand experience or> can refer me to the right person.> > Best Regards,> Mark> Silver Spring, M> > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt> p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 18> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:49:25 -0800 (PST)> From: john robles <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii> > I figured it was either that or you needed to replicate something.> Be sure to upload a pic when it is done!> > --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Mario Frazzetto <[email protected]> wrote:> > From: Mario Frazzetto <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 11:54 AM> > Hey John just trying to make a cabinet/stand to suit my Victor 6 (earlier > style) but wanted to make sure both VI's would fit ...> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:59 AM> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> > > > Sounds like a msterious project is in the works..> > John Robles> > ------Original Message------> > From: Mario Frazzetto> > Sender: [email protected]> > To: Phonolist> > To: Phono-L> > ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List> > Subject: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed> > Sent: Nov 13, 2008 4:56 AM> >> > Hi All,> >> > I'm after a couple of dimensions of a later (second motor) style> Victor VI > > horn machine.> >> > Could someone please tell me:> >> > 1. Base dimensions - as in the actual "footprint"> > 2. Height (bottom of case to the top of motorboard)> >> > I really need to get accurate dimensions.> >> > Thanks in advance for your help!> >> > Cheers,> > Mario> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> >> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 19> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:14:31 -0500> From: "Gregory Cline" <[email protected]>> Subject: [Phono-L] Items for Sale........> To: <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <521a64a51600460a9ab571cf5fb51...@gregg>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > I would like to offer to the list the following items from my collection for> sale or trade. It is time to downsize a bit...some are duplicates, others> I just have run out of room for. Please contact me off list or phone me for> details. ([email protected] 419-424-1201 ) Pictures are available of all> items. All items are available for free delivery to the Stanton Auction> November 21,22. Thanks for looking! Gregg Cline> > > 1. Columbia AS Coin Op. Outstanding original finish. Works great..plays a> record completely, coin op mechanism works perfectly. Great original decal.> Original coin drawer,crank, feet. It has the early tag marked only "S" Sign> board is new but matches very well. Original reproducer with the set screw.> There are a couple of new parts (coin chute, connection from trunion to> post, post and timing gear. The horn is a 14 inch all brass horn with> original elbow with a nice patina. It is a soldered seam between the bell> and cone so it is early. Asking $5500.> > 2. Victor model P-1. This is an outstanding original example. All> original save the turntable felt and brake leather. This is the second> incarnation of this machine and has a unique motor that mounts on the bottom> of the cabinet. The speed control actually has a knob that comes though the> side of the cabinet and a vertical governor assembly. I believe the later P> models are the only Victors to use this motor. It has the oxidized copper> support arm and escutcheons. Finish is good with minor pitting on the> support arm. Wooden traveling arm and a metal elbow horn with nice original> decal and nearly perfect bell with a nice patina. Original Long throat> Exhibition reproducer. Asking $1500> > 3 Zonophone Grand Opera.Late rear mount machine. This is a restored machine> that plays great and presents very well. It has the large all brass> Zonophone horn.. Asking $1500> > 4. Edison Maroon Gem Model D. This is a very nice example, 100% original> including the crane. The horn is a 2 piece Fireside horn with very good> paint. K reproducer. Finish on the wooden cabinet is good but not perfect.> Overall a very nice example. Asking $1400> > > 5 Columbia BWN disc phonograph with outstanding Nickel plated panel horn.> 100% original machine. This machine presents very well with all of the> nickel plating. Great original decal and finish. Asking $1500> > 6. Victor IV with Smooth Music Master mahogany horn. Nice original finish> on the machine, great back bracket with original striping, Horn has original> decal but may have been French polished..Motor runs strong and the machine> plays well. Asking $2500> > 7. Zonophone Concert front mount second style with metal bedplate. This is> 100% original with a 24 inch set up. The support arm, traveling arm, Horn> and Horn elbow are original. Finish is very nice original with original> decals. Reproducer is a late zonophone long throat with the same body as> for the rear mount machine. (similar to a victor exhibition). Asking $2500> > 8. Zonophone Concert Rear Mount with metal bedplate. This is the sister of> the above machine. The Body is identical to the front mount excepth the> crank is on the opposite side and there is a back bracket and tone arm.> This is a 100% original machine as well with the small all brass zonophone> horn and original finish and decals. Asking $1800> > 9. I have several project machines to sell as well..Mostly Floor model> machines including Edison Diamond discs, Victor Victrolas, and a Brunswick> That I will take offers on..If you are interested in projects, let me know> and I will get the details on the machines. I would consider a low> reasonable offer as I will never get to them myself. Even better deal if you> take them all!!!!> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 20> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:57:32 -0800> From: "Mike Stitt" <[email protected]>> Subject: [Phono-L] eBay> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at eBay.> I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful purpose. It seems that> buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as I write this is> eBay does not release the seller address unless through Paypal...!! At> least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller (he said no Paypal in> his description).> Starting in January as I understand it any mention of cash, money order and> the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting in 2012 Paypal> will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or more> transactions per year.> > This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much from eBay so I> may stand corrected.> > The question is how will eBay grow and attract more buyers? Will new people> registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. Many will not.> Of those already registered how many do not do have Paypal. After years of> pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to eBay will they?> How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this in a declining> economy ?> Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. Use photobucket or> Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just put the link in your> email.> > Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. Looking for more> thoughts.> Mike> aka Oldcranky> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 21> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:01:50 -0500> From: "George" <[email protected]>> Subject: [Phono-L] AZ Reproducer question> To: "Phono-L" <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <28ad3d524db041d999b074d85349d...@valuedcb7d4c82>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Can someone please tell me the correct angle for the sapphire on a Columbia AZ with Lyre carriage. I know it should be a Lyric T-1 #9 in Hazelcorn's book. I was hoping an Edison C bar with sapphire would work, but I do not believe it will. A close-up picture would be great if possible.> Does anyone make the correct needle bar for the AZ's Lyric reproducer?> Your welcome to contact me off-list with details> Thank you,> George > [email protected]> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: George VOLLEMA.vcf> Type: text/x-vcard> Size: 467 bytes> Desc: not available> Url : http://mail.intellitechcomputing.com/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20081114/c7ce748e/GeorgeVOLLEMA-0001.vcf> > ------------------------------> > Message: 22> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:11:41 -0500> From: "Douglas Houston" <[email protected]>> Subject: RE: [Phono-L] eBay> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII> > Purely and simply, eBay has gotten too big for their breeches. PayPal is> their banking arm, and they want more and more cut from the sales. It may> be that there is buyer protection if PP is used, but considering eBay's> policy of: "If you're screwed, tough gazotz", the notion of any extended> comfort for the buyer is purely a joke. I've been swindled by a seller, and> eBay's "Fair Trade" is the sham that one would expect it to be. Whether or> not, their policy will damage them, remains to be seen. They probably> figure that they have a strong enough PayPal base to maintain sales levels> strongly enough to thumb their snoots at those of us who don't use Pay Pal.> There may be more noses to thumb at them than they expect. Time will tell> > > > [Original Message]> > From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]>> > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>> > Date: 11/14/2008 1:58:25 PM> > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay> >> > As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at eBay.> > I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful purpose. It seems that> > buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as I write this is> > eBay does not release the seller address unless through Paypal...!! At> > least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller (he said no Paypal in> > his description).> > Starting in January as I understand it any mention of cash, money order> and> > the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting in 2012 Paypal> > will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or more> > transactions per year.> >> > This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much from eBay so I> > may stand corrected.> >> > The question is how will eBay grow and attract more buyers? Will new> people> > registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. Many will not.> > Of those already registered how many do not do have Paypal. After years of> > pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to eBay will they?> > How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this in a declining> > economy ?> > Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. Use photobucket or> > Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just put the link in> your> > email.> >> > Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. Looking for more> > thoughts.> > Mike> > aka Oldcranky> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 23> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:31:57 -0800> From: "Mike Stitt" <[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>> Message-ID:> <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Well on the other hand if you list your Phonos on their adult (porn?) side> you can take a MO.> I'm afraid this P.P only will have be detrimental for collectors. Many folks> may use different venue's such as this to sell. At the end of the day it> should be* your* choice as a buyer or seller to paid anyway you want....> I'd love to see data six months from now on how many have registered as new> and how many have de-registered. Data over say three years. Any bets?> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Douglas Houston <[email protected]>wrote:> > > Purely and simply, eBay has gotten too big for their breeches. PayPal is> > their banking arm, and they want more and more cut from the sales. It may> > be that there is buyer protection if PP is used, but considering eBay's> > policy of: "If you're screwed, tough gazotz", the notion of any extended> > comfort for the buyer is purely a joke. I've been swindled by a seller, and> > eBay's "Fair Trade" is the sham that one would expect it to be. Whether or> > not, their policy will damage them, remains to be seen. They probably> > figure that they have a strong enough PayPal base to maintain sales levels> > strongly enough to thumb their snoots at those of us who don't use Pay Pal.> > There may be more noses to thumb at them than they expect. Time will tell> >> >> > > [Original Message]> > > From: Mike Stitt <[email protected]>> > > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>> > > Date: 11/14/2008 1:58:25 PM> > > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay> > >> > > As eBay is always a hot topic what about the new policy at eBay.> > > I'm not an eBay collector but it does have a useful purpose. It seems> > that> > > buyers and sellers must use Paypal. The best I can tell as I write this> > is> > > eBay does not release the seller address unless through Paypal...!! At> > > least I couldn't find it. I had to email the seller (he said no Paypal in> > > his description).> > > Starting in January as I understand it any mention of cash, money order> > and> > > the like will result in the listing being pulled. Starting in 2012 Paypal> > > will report to IRS transactions over $20k in total or 200 or more> > > transactions per year.> > >> > > This is from their boards. I have a hard time finding much from eBay so I> > > may stand corrected.> > >> > > The question is how will eBay grow and attract more buyers? Will new> > people> > > registering go through the Paypal drill? I wouldn't. Many will not.> > > Of those already registered how many do not do have Paypal. After years> > of> > > pushing and still not giving their bank account numbers to eBay will> > they?> > > How many of those will walk? What is the arrogance of this in a declining> > > economy ?> > > Thoughts. I have one. As seen this AM, sell on phono-l. Use photobucket> > or> > > Picasa to post pictures. Picasa will host them and just put the link in> > your> > > email.> > >> > > Loran and I talked about this new eBay policy last night. Looking for> > more> > > thoughts.> > > Mike> > > aka Oldcranky> > > _______________________________________________> > > Phono-L mailing list> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >> > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > End of Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 304> *************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 From [email protected] Sat Nov 15 08:39:02 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sat Nov 15 08:44:15 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <001201c94740$ab3ed2f0$6401a...@wilenzick> That's a great idea, especially since buying from other collectors adds a degree of safety to the transaction. It has been tried before, with sites such as Intertique Classifieds or Phono-L Classified, but as far as I know these were not very successful. (Comments Loran?). But times have changed and with all the dissatisfaction with eBay, maybe another attempt should be made by someone who is web savy. A weekly phono on-line newsletter listing phono items for sale, wanted, or for trade would really be nice for the hobby. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay > Bill, > > First let me formally thank you for your service to this country. > > Second, there's a website some of you may know about that caters to the > high-end hifi audiophile types (easy, Greg!) called AudiogoN (put a www > and a com with a couple of dots in there to see what it's about), and it's > been a godsend for me while putting together my front room system (which I > also use for mastering). It's more set sales than auctions, but there's > plenty of those too, and quite a few dealers work through there as well. > > I've saved about 75% of retail on the gear in my system thanks to that > site. It's free of any glitzy graphics -- very utilitarian approach... > PayPal is welcomed but not connected/sanctioned/tied in like it is with > eBay, and saying in your listing that PayPal users must include an > additional 3% if perfectly fine. It's grouped into categories and > sub-categories so you can easily find what you're looking for. It's > well-known in the audiophile community and sustains itself (listing fees > were FAR below eBay's last time I sold something there), and when you > contact someone for a transaction, you exchange emails directly instead of > being 'monitored' by the site's powers that be. > > Has anyone tried, or would anyone be willing to try, setting up a site > like AudiogoN for phono collectors? I'd be very suprised if there were > more people trading $10,000 turntables and $130,000 speakers than those of > us trading phonographs/parts/etc. > > Just a thought. A little advertising and involvement from one Union show > would put it in view of a large percentage of its potential users. Any > web gurus out there interested? > > Best, > Robert > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "buck Buchanan" <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay > > >>I have been using ebay for a number of years and I have watched the fees >>climb for the sellers to the point that they have lost many of the dealers >>that used to be on this website. >> Now that they are forcing them to use Paypal I expect them to lose >> another 25% of the current sellers. Being an ex-flea market person the >> profit is very little on this type of a system if your over-head >> increases and you can't pass it on to the individual that is buying the >> item then you go out of business. >> I have never used another site for bidding on records and I am also new >> at collecting records does anybody know another auction website where I >> can start looking for the older 78's and misc items from the Victorian >> period? >> >> Thank you >> Bill Buchanan >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >
