Hi friends! Happy New Year to you and yours. May 2009 bring you great
health and a 'buncha' stuff related to the world of 78 rpms!
I appreciate the expertise of all of you and am hoping that you can provide
me with some insight in to a Victor I that I have just acquired. A friend of
mine from work just got this Victor I from a great uncle and does not want to
keep it. He has offered it to me. I brought it home last evening and noticed
the following:
- Serial Number on Tag:24614 C
- Beautiful original brass bell horn with superb decal
- Horn slides in to the elbow
- The reproducer arm has two small screws on top that appear to
have secured some kind of piece in place. The Exhibition
Reproducer just swings around freely on the crook as there is nothing
for it to rest on to like other horn machines that I have. The arm is
almost perfect in fit as the needle does not miss centering the middle
to the record tip (holder) by much, maybe less than 1/10 of an inch.
- The crank appears to be an original Victor screw on crank (female);
however the shaft (piece that goes into the machine) seems a bit
thicker than most Victor cranks that I have or have seen.
- The escutcheon is flat and in bigger diameter to accomodate the
thicker crank. There appears to be no additional holes or
modifications to the case at all leading me to believe the machine is
original.
- The brake is not the standard bullet brake, but the swing around lever
type with the round wand that holds the leather tip.
Seems like a nice overall machine that will need some servicing as it does
not wind easily. The spring is strong and will play through one ten inch
record. The reproducer will need to be rebuilt as the gasket is in bad shape.
Does this seem like a machine to buy? If so, what would be a fair price to
offer? The cabinet, back bracket, horn, elbow, etc. are very nice and the
machine displays very well.
Any and all comments very much appreciated. Thanks and God bless.
Brantley
From [email protected] Wed Dec 31 18:18:56 2008
From: [email protected] (Steven Medved)
Date: Wed Dec 31 18:19:08 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hello Chris,
You (finding the website) and Rick (notice the grammar) have impressed me. The
one extremely helpful thing (beside the help of you two) is the serial number
that makes it impossible for a fraud to get around.
I wonder if someone hijacked the account? I noticed the seller canceled the
sale.
Best regards,
Steve
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:55:30 -0500
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera
>
> Hi all,
>
> A valuable tool is to google a snippet of text from a fishy listing. I
> searched for "superior Edison Opera, introduced in November 1911,
> possibly gave the best sound of any contemporary instrument, cylinder or
> disc" and was led direct to this site -- which is where the photos are from:
>
> http://www.worldofgramophones.com/edison_opera_phonograph.html
>
> This is beyond fishy.
>
> Chris
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Thank you all for your comments. There are apparently 15 bids on this
> > thing--but I don't trust it at all. Wouldn't you love to get an Opera for
> > $1500 ?
> > But on the other hand, one could receive nothing at all if this is a
> > fraudulent offer. I love to deal with phonograph people--and I've been
> > very lucky
> > so far. This one scares me and so I'll be making no bids.
> > --Art Heller
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> > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.
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From [email protected] Wed Dec 31 19:36:17 2008
From: [email protected] (Steven Medved)
Date: Wed Dec 31 19:36:29 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
VDB: type C made from Aug 13, 1910 to Oct 23, 1912 13,500 to 28,399 serial
number range. First model (C) to have slip in horn. crank 1/4" female, change
at serial number 16,523 to Regulator, same escutcheon used (I do not know what
this means). Brake round plate #1203. Horn #17 flower so if it has the black
and brass it is interesting as the VDB says after June 15, 1908 they came with
the flower horn.
You said all comments welcome so I hope this helps.
Steve
> - Serial Number on Tag:24614 C
> - Beautiful original brass bell horn with superb decal
> - Horn slides in to the elbow
> - The reproducer arm has two small screws on top that appear to
> have secured some kind of piece in place. The Exhibition
> Reproducer just swings around freely on the crook as there is nothing
> for it to rest on to like other horn machines that I have. The arm is
> almost perfect in fit as the needle does not miss centering the middle
> to the record tip (holder) by much, maybe less than 1/10 of an inch.
> - The crank appears to be an original Victor screw on crank (female);
> however the shaft (piece that goes into the machine) seems a bit
> thicker than most Victor cranks that I have or have seen.
> - The escutcheon is flat and in bigger diameter to accomodate the
> thicker crank. There appears to be no additional holes or
> modifications to the case at all leading me to believe the machine is
> original.
> - The brake is not the standard bullet brake, but the swing around lever
> type with the round wand that holds the leather tip.
>
> Seems like a nice overall machine that will need some servicing as it does
> not wind easily. The spring is strong and will play through one ten inch
> record. The reproducer will need to be rebuilt as the gasket is in bad shape.
>
> Does this seem like a machine to buy? If so, what would be a fair price to
> offer? The cabinet, back bracket, horn, elbow, etc. are very nice and the
> machine displays very well.
>
> Any and all comments very much appreciated. Thanks and God bless.
>
> Brantley
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From [email protected] Wed Dec 31 19:39:04 2008
From: [email protected] (harvey kravitz)
Date: Wed Dec 31 19:40:16 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hi Brantly, You have a later Victor I. I have that same model. Mine has the
slip in elbow. The arm is from an early Victrola IV or VIII. These were the
same arms as a Victor II or the late Victor I. The round brake is a Johnson
brake used from 1901 until the teens. After that, a tab or lever brake was
used. When you rebuild the reproducer, replace the black flange. That should
solve the the problem of the reproducer not engaging the crook. The thick crank
and large escutcheon is what's causing the binding. I think you have the wrong
crank and escutcheon. The Victor I crank has a smaller throw than a II Thru VI.
Send off a picture. I'd love to see it.
After reading the comments on the saga of the Phantom of the Edison Opera,
That's why I won't buy from ebay. I still look for entertainment. I Wonder if
some of these people even went to school. I noticed that the ITG has more adds,
than before. I'd like to see more sellers in Phono-L. I? would rather buy from
a fellow collector than some schmuck from ebay. I know that buying from a
collector, I will get a square deal. I hope everyone on this blog has a Happy,
Healthy, and a Prosperous New Year. Harvey P. Kravitz
--- On Wed, 12/31/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:51 PM
Hi friends! Happy New Year to you and yours. May 2009 bring you great
health and a 'buncha' stuff related to the world of 78 rpms!
I appreciate the expertise of all of you and am hoping that you can provide
me with some insight in to a Victor I that I have just acquired. A friend of
mine from work just got this Victor I from a great uncle and does not want to
keep it. He has offered it to me. I brought it home last evening and noticed
the following:
- Serial Number on Tag:24614 C
- Beautiful original brass bell horn with superb decal
- Horn slides in to the elbow
- The reproducer arm has two small screws on top that appear to
have secured some kind of piece in place. The Exhibition
Reproducer just swings around freely on the crook as there is nothing
for it to rest on to like other horn machines that I have. The arm is
almost perfect in fit as the needle does not miss centering the middle
to the record tip (holder) by much, maybe less than 1/10 of an inch.
- The crank appears to be an original Victor screw on crank (female);
however the shaft (piece that goes into the machine) seems a bit
thicker than most Victor cranks that I have or have seen.
- The escutcheon is flat and in bigger diameter to accomodate the
thicker crank. There appears to be no additional holes or
modifications to the case at all leading me to believe the machine is
original.
- The brake is not the standard bullet brake, but the swing around lever
type with the round wand that holds the leather tip.
Seems like a nice overall machine that will need some servicing as it does
not wind easily. The spring is strong and will play through one ten inch
record. The reproducer will need to be rebuilt as the gasket is in bad shape.
Does this seem like a machine to buy? If so, what would be a fair price to
offer? The cabinet, back bracket, horn, elbow, etc. are very nice and the
machine displays very well.
Any and all comments very much appreciated. Thanks and God bless.
Brantley
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From [email protected] Wed Dec 31 19:44:43 2008
From: [email protected] (Steven Medved)
Date: Wed Dec 31 19:44:56 2008
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor I Questions - Assistance Appreciated
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hello Harvey,
http://www.toolhaus.org/
Using this tool you can see the negative feedback a seller gave and received,
stay away from sellers that left mean feedback. Also when you ask a question
the type of answer you get is often the type of service you will also get.
Steve
