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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:44:36 To: Antique Phonograph List<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! I have only been a buyer on ebay and a few months ago stopped leaving feedback to any seller that did not leave me feedback first. It's a matter of fairness. If they recieved my payment and sent the item, then they should leave me positive feedback. If they don't, I just don't leave feedback at all. I did leave feedback religously in the past. But with all the stupid star ratings and sellers that often never leave feedback, I just pulled back and decided to more or less ignore the whole thing. They have stopped meaning anything with recent changes anyway. dan On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> wrote: > I rarely sell on eBay or buy for that matter. It is common knowledge I > guess, sellers cannot leave negative feedback. This may explain why they > wait on the buyer. > oldcranky > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a > 1. > > If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > > > > > buck Buchanan wrote: > > > >> I just received this email from a seller. > >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. > >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist > >> > >> This was his message to me: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will > >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the > >> same. > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> Randy > >> > >> This will be my reply: > >> > >> Randy, > >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from > >> the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining > a > >> growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves > it > >> for the buyer. > >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. > >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method > that > >> you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill > >> > >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to > >> send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what > you > >> would like with his feed back. > >> > >> Thank you Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Jan 23 16:18:13 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:27:40 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]> Message-ID: <1141943557-1232756272-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-10324440...@bxe163.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Melvin <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:44:36 To: Antique Phonograph List<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! I have only been a buyer on ebay and a few months ago stopped leaving feedback to any seller that did not leave me feedback first. It's a matter of fairness. If they recieved my payment and sent the item, then they should leave me positive feedback. If they don't, I just don't leave feedback at all. I did leave feedback religously in the past. But with all the stupid star ratings and sellers that often never leave feedback, I just pulled back and decided to more or less ignore the whole thing. They have stopped meaning anything with recent changes anyway. dan On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mike Stitt <[email protected]> wrote: > I rarely sell on eBay or buy for that matter. It is common knowledge I > guess, sellers cannot leave negative feedback. This may explain why they > wait on the buyer. > oldcranky > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a > 1. > > If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > > > > > buck Buchanan wrote: > > > >> I just received this email from a seller. > >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. > >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist > >> > >> This was his message to me: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will > >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the > >> same. > >> > >> All the best, > >> > >> Randy > >> > >> This will be my reply: > >> > >> Randy, > >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from > >> the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining > a > >> growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves > it > >> for the buyer. > >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. > >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method > that > >> you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill > >> > >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to > >> send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what > you > >> would like with his feed back. > >> > >> Thank you Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Jan 23 16:27:25 2009 From: [email protected] (buck Buchanan) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:34:19 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Walt, Great to hear from you. I wish I could go to the show in Orlando tomorrow but maybe next time. I have only left one bad rating for a person and that was because of fraud on his part. I was not the only person, ebay had to remove him. I have been using ebay for several years, I used to purchase items for the company I worked for on ebay and after all these years I only left one bad feedback, I've had chances to leave much more but I know how things can be. I used to work a flea market booth and somethimes things just don't work out the way that you would like them to. Thanks to the advice of another person? I sent him an email telling him that I only leave feedback for those who leave it for me first. I would never leave a bad feed back because the person was a jerk, some of my best friends at one time or another can be jerks that's just life. On another note thank you for finding the book but, I own a VV2-35. Are they close in design? I'm so sorry. Thank you so much. Bill --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Walt Sommers <[email protected]> wrote: From: Walt Sommers <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 6:37 PM This is why I love going to shows instead of online venues: meeting people, digging through junk, shaking hands, talking, getting to know people, etc.... If you leave feedback, do so honestly. If he sent it in a timely fashion and it was what you expected, then nailing him with low DSR ratings is dishonest. I, too, object to the notion of demanding feedback and have never asked for someone to leave it for me in 10 years and over 5,000 sales but that has never been cause for me to act in a retaliatory manner (tempted though I was a few times). Thankfully I have always found that I am in fact a much bigger man than that. I just dump the emotional stigma of having been made to feel extorted and I always leave the feedback I had intended anyway. I treat them, so much as I am able, in the kind and generous way that I would prefer to be treated. This is always the correct course because it satisfies my conscience in an objective manner and is far more profitable to me and others. Just because people are mean, unpleasant, pushy, rude, etc. is never a reason for me to emulate their behavior. If some mean guy sends me some phonograph parts that I bought from him and they show up in a timely fashion and in the condition I was anticipating, that's a positive rating with across the board 4.0 DSR ratings, even if he plays the feedback hostage-extortion game. If they had a check box to rate personalities there might be an honest reason to leave a 1.0, but otherwise, I've got genuinely better things to do. It is not the pushy hustle-bustle people whose lack of business and interpersonal skills are so weak that they cannot say thank you without being thanked first that bug me: people like that have always been around and they are easy to work with really. It is far worse and more damaging when someone willfully misrepresents or encourages another to knowingly misrepresent products and services as a way of damaging that person simply to satisfy an emotional urge. (BTW: Sgt Bill, I found an original instruction sheet for the VV 2-65 that you need so you don't have to make do with the VV 2-55 sheet I was going to send. I hope to get the copies tomorrow. They will be in the mail probably Monday.) - Walt Rich wrote: > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a 1.. If they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining a growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would like with his feed back. >> >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Jan 23 16:56:57 2009 From: [email protected] (Rich) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:57:11 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Feedback blackmail is not allowed. report it to eBay and be done with him. He can not leave you negative feedback no matter what. buck Buchanan wrote: > I know that you can damage the seller's standing with Ebay and this bothers > me even more because this person has to know this as well. > Even when I am not happy I don't leave a bad report but this person has told > me that he will not hesitate in leaving one for me if I am not happy with > him. > This is like shooting yourself in the foot, and I have to wonder about > somebody that has to hold your feedback as hostage. > Maybe you as another seller should tell this person that his message is being > taken as if he was holding the feedback as hostage unless he gets what he > wants from his buyers. > > And I will be honest with you I don't believe I will ever buy from him again > and I will not be recommending him to anybody I know. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Rich <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:00 PM > > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a 1. If > they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from > the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining a > growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for > the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that > you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to > send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you > would > like with his feed back. >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Fri Jan 23 17:33:22 2009 From: [email protected] (harvey kravitz) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:33:35 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Dear Walt, Do you sell off ebay? I quit because of all the BS you have to deal with. I was Phonofreak 56. You have some really nice parts. All the best, Harvey P. Kravitz --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Walt Sommers <[email protected]> wrote: From: Walt Sommers <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:50 PM A study? I think not. The seller got caught (by potential buyers and other observers like us) doing nothing more than running scams. The guide he wrote on eBay is a 5-year old child's transparent attempt to cover his tracks once he was caught. He ended them all because he was getting heat - and not just from the phonograph world. The seller had other listings (not phonographs) at the same time and some of those are now being discussed in various internet forums. He was able to end them before eBay had to get involved, and something makes me think that eBay is now looking into the situation right now. Even if the guide he crafted to try to justify himself had been more carefully written with good grammar and diction, it still remains that he intentionally misrepresented items for sale. The "guide" he wrote appeared within hours of his user id popping up all over the internet - curious, isn't it? There is no way this describes a legitimate survey. The owner of the pictures would have had to grant permission for them to be used and we know that never happened. One of the single most valuable parts of a legitimate survey of this type would be to ascertain not so much whether there are fish nibbling on your bait (which is where he ended it) but whether you can sink that big hook and pull that 3 foot muskie out of the lake. Without an actual payment from someone there is no way that a survey could be said to be complete let alone successful. Not to mention that the text looks like it was thumbed-out on a blackberry and not quite re-formatted for full screen width. That seller will never object to people telling him that they did not like his survey or methodology: he is just glad that he hasn't [yet] been caught and charged with the crimes he committed. buck Buchanan wrote: > I just sent the person a note about what he did and how I felt about it. > If you follow the guide back it will take you to the person's ebay information. > I think we all should let him know what we thought about his so called failed study. > The information that he obtained with using the phonograph is really flawed and he should be told about that. > > Thank you > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Rich <[email protected]> > Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:42 PM > > Remember that auction where the seller was auctioning a photograph and claimed > it was research? We have results. > http://reviews.ebay.com/SHOCKING-TRUTH-about-bidding_W0QQugidZ10000000009959117 > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Jan 23 17:44:10 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:44:29 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 6, Issue 16 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Regarding Ebay I can see and understand all of the comments. I must say though that when you are trying to complete a collection of hard to find cylinders that Ebay since founding has been a source of many of those cylinders in the set that I needed. Please do not think I support the recent changes in there protocol but I am sort of a hostage. That one person in some distant place (or maybe next door) my have the final two or three cylinders I need to finish my quest. I have to keep all my options open and while I would really like to tell Ebay what to do I simply cannot without running the risk of missing that one posting that made the difference. In my case after trying to complete this set for 40+ years I am running out of time so options are not an option (does that make sense?) I do, however, totally agree about the "hostage" comment about feedback. That was a well done posting I will (with author permission of course) be using the same language. I bid, I pay ASAP, I get the item. Seems like the seller should say thanks not hold a gun to my head and say "your better buddy." I am pleased to be a member of this group though I say little but I really do read each posting and respect the position of each member. May you all find that one-of-a-kind in 2009. Larry Hawes Columbia BC Nut Case **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From [email protected] Fri Jan 23 18:17:25 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Fri Jan 23 18:22:41 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay opera auction that was a photo Message-ID: <[email protected]> In a message dated 1/23/2009 9:43:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Remember that auction where the seller was auctioning a photograph and > claimed it was research? We have results. > http://reviews.ebay.com/SHOCKING-TRUTH-about-bidding_W0QQugidZ100000000099591 > 17 > It's a good lesson but that guy's got Bad Grammer. Did'ja notice? Sincerely. Rick A. Jorgensen GOLDEN ERA AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION http://www.geaaonline.org UNCLE JOSH'S PUN'KIN CENTRE STORIES http://www.montanaphonograph.com/unclejosh.html ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) From [email protected] Fri Jan 23 18:36:32 2009 From: [email protected] (buck Buchanan) Date: Fri Jan 23 18:36:45 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Rich, Is it a full moon tonight because I sure found the winners at ebay. Here is an email from the person that was selling photographs of a Victor on ebay a couple of weeks ago. He told everybody that he was doing research of some type. He wrote a guide on ebay that is worthless and I left my comment like most and this is what he sends me. "From User:bsmoneysaversales (168)99.4% Positive FeedbackMember since Aug-30-08 in United StatesLocation: IN, United StatesActivity with bsmoneysaversales (last 90 days): I have bid on 0 items from bsmoneysaversales Activity with bsmoneysaversales (last 90 days): bsmoneysaversales has bid on 0 of my items Dear (sorry I removed my id from this), If you were so smart,Why did let your friend ? the add! could be a hint of the big J Buddy please do not write me again or I will have you thrown off ebay for the big H if your so smart you should be able to figure this out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I have of course sent this email to ebay and I will let them take care of the problem. I really know how to find them don't I, lol. Bill --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: From: Rich <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 7:56 PM Feedback blackmail is not allowed. report it to eBay and be done with him. He can not leave you negative feedback no matter what. buck Buchanan wrote: > I know that you can damage the seller's standing with Ebay and this bothers me even more because this person has to know this as well. > Even when I am not happy I don't leave a bad report but this person has told me that he will not hesitate in leaving one for me if I am not happy with him. > This is like shooting yourself in the foot, and I have to wonder about somebody that has to hold your feedback as hostage. > Maybe you as another seller should tell this person that his message is being taken as if he was holding the feedback as hostage unless he gets what he wants from his buyers. > > And I will be honest with you I don't believe I will ever buy from him again and I will not be recommending him to anybody I know. > > Bill > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Rich <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay feed back being held as hostage by sellers!!! > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:00 PM > > You can seriously hurt a seller by marking all of the star ratings as a 1. If > they do not have many sales it will get them suspended. > > buck Buchanan wrote: >> I just received this email from a seller. >> He is holding my feed back as hostage until I leave him good feed back. >> His ebay ID is firebirdologist >> >> This was his message to me: >> >> Hi! >> >> It's on the way today! Thank you again for your purchase. I will >> happily post positive feedback for this transaction if I receive the >> same. >> >> All the best, >> >> Randy >> >> This will be my reply: >> >> Randy, >> Many people that I speak with are starting to feel as if feed back from > the seller is being withheld as a hostage. Because of this I am joining a > growing group that only leaves feed back for sellers that first leaves it for > the buyer. >> My part is over, if you fail to leave me feedback then so be it. >> You may also thank your fellow sellers that practice the same method that > you are trying on me now. Thank you Bill >> Please stand with me on this issue, when you get a seller that fails to > send feed back for you. Please send him a similar message and do what you would > like with his feed back. >> Thank you Bill >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Fri Jan 23 23:01:28 2009 From: [email protected] (JimK) Date: Fri Jan 23 23:01:44 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format References: <[email protected]><002001c97d16$f5de9f50$0a00a...@jim> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <001001c97df1$96dac5c0$0a00a...@jim> Thanks Steve! It makes me wonder though, of all the people that did or did not opt out, like us - they should have known how many people kept the new format or not, while it was still in beta. But your right, there is probably some programmer sitting at his desk trying to justify his job. Oh well, a few years from now we'll all say eBay who? Oh, I remember that website.......or not :) Jim ------------ Hello Jim, Like you I opted out. The problem is when some moron makes a change for the sake of change that has no benefit. I have never been a big eBay fan, they only care when it hits them in the wallet. They are rapidly removing all the positive aspects of doing business with them, but because of reproducer research I will continue to watch and buy. I think if they would have given the option to keep the old format they could have gotten an accurate idea of what people thought of the change, but as long as they make money they will not care. I enjoyed and agree with your post. Steve 22:56:28 -0600 > > I agree, it sucks. When they first let this 'new format' out in the wild, > I > opted back out, quickly as I hated it. Now I see that you cant go back to > the old way, but will have to put up with it. Google mail did the same > thing > a few weeks ago, and a lot of people complained. It's no wonder we all > need > high speed internet these days for web pages, oh yeah, and Utube to watch > phonograph videos :) The old saying still holds true - New is not always > better.... > > Jim > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
