Anyone care to offer suggestions for an alternative for Ebay, I agree the new format stinks?and they don't get it & care less !
----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt Sommers" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:38:28 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! ======================================================== Robert Plavzic wrote: ?I don't give a hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items... ?? - Disable them. Robert Plavzic wrote: ?Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. ?? ?- If you prefer to see the most recently listed items first, then set that as the default. Robert Plavzic wrote: ?Obviously someone does not get it! ?? ?- Yet ======================================================== Robert Plavzic wrote: > Thanks Brantley > > You summed it up exactly right. > > Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't give a > hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not > either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their junk > listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. > > And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where for the > page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm on a new > page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll down > the page reloads. Do others have this issue? > > I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company > what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. > > Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh yes, the > collecting nutters". > > Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these > sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? > > Obviously someone does not get it! > > best > > Rob > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > ? >> In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Let's ?face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to >> be. >> Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money >> ?and >> at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. ?Now, ebay has ?become a >> greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, ?regardless of how >> it >> affects the customer. >> >> I got a real kick out of ?this morning's news when there was a story that >> stated that EVEN ebay is ?feeling the crunches of this bad economy. ?The >> newscaster >> went on to ?say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were >> no >> big ?desirable Christmas items this year. ?No, ebay. ?That's not the >> ?reason. >> >> The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed ?up with the _ >> ?_ >> ?_ >> _ that your company is pulling over on ?them. >> >> I have joined several of you on this group that will not ?sell or buy on >> ebay. >> It will take many more of us; but this is the only ?way that this greedy >> company is going to face up. >> >> Also, have any of ?you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? >> Examples are the ?stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting >> their >> goods, >> etc., ?etc., etc. >> >> My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have ?not suffered >> one >> bit from my divorce from ebay. ?In fact, I find ?myself spending more time >> enjoying my collections. ?Just think, if ?most people would stop their love >> affair >> with ebay, they could enjoy their ?nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray >> singing out the hits! >> >> You ?know...I think ebay really did me a favor. ?Thanks ebay for your work >> in >> >> causing me to sever my ties with you. ?The divorce was cheap. ? It didn't >> cost >> me a thing. >> >> That's all I got to say. ?You all ?take care and as always... >> >> Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that ?is! >> >> Brantley >> Williston, ?S.C. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> I'm with ye, Brantly! >> >> I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since >> they went to Pay Pal or Nada. >> >> Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we >> ?will >> enjoy the music. >> >> See y'all later! >> >> Edward, in Zigzag >> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, >> stay >> up-to-date with the latest news. >> (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023<http://aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023> >> >> ) >> ?_______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> ? ? > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1914 - Release Date: 1/24/2009 > 8:40 PM > > ? _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Sun Jan 25 12:07:28 2009 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:07:39 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Replace the collecting nutters with high volume sellers that have low buy it now prices. They will not care until it hurt$ them. > Thanks Brantley > > You summed it up exactly right. > > Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't give a > hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not > either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their junk > listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. > > And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where for the > page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm on a new > page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll down > the page reloads. Do others have this issue? > > I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company > what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. > > Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh yes, the > collecting nutters". > > Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these > sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? > > Obviously someone does not get it! > > best > > Rob > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to > > be. > > Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money > > and > > at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has become a > > greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless of how > > it > > affects the customer. > > > > I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story that > > stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. The > > newscaster > > went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were > > no > > big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the > > reason. > > > > The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with the _ > > _ > > _ > > _ that your company is pulling over on them. > > > > I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or buy on > > ebay. > > It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this greedy > > company is going to face up. > > > > Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? > > Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting > > their > > goods, > > etc., etc., etc. > > > > My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not suffered > > one > > bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending more time > > enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop their love > > affair > > with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray > > singing out the hits! > > > > You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for your work > > in > > > > causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It didn't > > cost > > me a thing. > > > > That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... > > > > Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! > > > > Brantley > > Williston, S.C. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > I'm with ye, Brantly! > > > > I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since > > they went to Pay Pal or Nada. > > > > Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we > > will > > enjoy the music. > > > > See y'all later! > > > > Edward, in Zigzag > > **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, > > stay > > up-to-date with the latest news. > > (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023<http://aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023> > > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Sun Jan 25 12:38:39 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Jan 25 12:38:58 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay - Self Destructing Like Other Businesses Message-ID: <[email protected]> There was a day when a seller and buyer could feel good about a transaction on ebay. The seller usually got what they expected, and the buyer usually felt as though he had not only sold an item, but made a dollar or two on it. The seller kind of felt that the time and effort was worthwhile. The last few times (a couple of years ago) that I sold on ebay, I felt that the only ones making any money were those knucklehead billionaires at ebay. Let's break it down: - I took the time to place the item on ebay. Spent time constructing what I wanted to say and several times proofreading it so that any potential buyers could understand what they were buying. (Some of the descriptions today...you know.) - I took the time to address any questions from all interested potential buyers in a timely manner. - Once the item was sold, I packaged and boxed it very carefully using my own materials as I never felt that this was a venue when the buyer had to pay HANDLING CHARGES. - Once I got payment from the buyer (did not mind money orders), I promptly took the item to the Post Office. Once I figured in all of my time and effort, ebay was the one that made out like a bandit. There were the posting fees, the photo fees, the seller fees, and on and on. It came to the point that I felt that I would never stop paying ebay fees for one silly transaction! There were times that I felt that I had just given my items away. I would have done better donating the items to a charity and claiming the donations on my income taxes! Now, beside all of that...ebay is butchering up their system with God only knows what kind of soft ware that creates tremendously slow speeds. One cannot even hit page two to go to the other page. It just takes you back to the top and stays there. I know that we all may be 'preaching to the choir' with these issues, but at least it gives us some opportunity to vent. No more ebay for me. They say their profits are dropping...well duh! Corporate America is going out of business very, very slowly. The government bailouts are helping some for now, but this can't go on forever. We can only print so much money before the ink runs out. Circuit City is a grand example. I bought many of my electronics, tapes, and music from them beginning in the 1970s. They were a good company up until the early 1990s. They made me mad several years ago when they would not take back a bad rechargeable battery set that I had bought from them. I had the receipt and it had been within two weeks of my purchase. All I wanted was another one, just an exchange. They gave me so much grief that I never stepped foot back in their stores. Maybe several other had the same experience. Circuit City is in the process of going totally out of business as I write. I do not feel sorry in the least. It takes good service to be in business!! Sometimes it takes extraordinary service to remain in business!! Thanks to all of you that listen, I mean read and participate in this post. I appreciate this group very much. Maybe I will see some of you at the North Carolina Phono show in March! Brantley Williston, S.C From [email protected] Sun Jan 25 13:26:40 2009 From: [email protected] (Walt Sommers) Date: Sun Jan 25 13:27:03 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] New Ebay My Ebay format - Get That Divorce! In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Steve, they already beat you to the punch. Low Buy It Now prices already represent the highest profit items (in terms of percentage) that eBay collects. It has been that way for a long time. It isn't that they have stopped caring about collecting nutters, they never did. Taking the good with the bad is a part of every endeavor, and although eBay really exacerbates the extremes of that notion, I continue to be motivated to do a little buying and selling there because I can help people who don't know any other place to find things the right way. More than a few people on this list got their start on eBay and a few have since been weened and led to greener pastures. I was happy before eBay because of the wonderful people I knew. They haven't changed that and despite their gypsy pickpocketing they have accidentally provided a means for me to meet many more. eBay owes me nothing. They can charge for all sorts of things, but the best part is that they will never be able to charge a fee that could come close to the value of the relationships that I have been able to make with many who have become my friends. I win - eBay loses. Sorry to be so positive, Walt I sure hope this thread dies soon.... Steven Medved wrote: > Replace the collecting nutters with high volume sellers that have low buy it > now prices. > > They will not care until it hurt$ them. > > > >> Thanks Brantley >> >> You summed it up exactly right. >> >> Also I cannot figure out why ebay keeps changing its format. I don't give a >> hoot about what ebay thinks are favorite items and they probably do not >> either, there's probably some trick there like top sellers get their junk >> listed first. Hands up who'd like to see most recently listed first. >> >> And the management idiots who approved the new paging format where for the >> page to reload you first get shot to the top of the screen (oh! I'm on a new >> page, kind of looks like the one I was on) and as you start to scroll down >> the page reloads. Do others have this issue? >> >> I have a friend at ebay and offered to explain to whoever in the company >> what was pissing off "loyal" ebayers like myself. >> >> Just a bit surprised when I was told the answer internally was "oh yes, the >> collecting nutters". >> >> Say WHAT? So Ebay would run much better if one did not have all these >> sellers and buyers eating up the bandwidth? >> >> Obviously someone does not get it! >> >> best >> >> Rob >> >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:21 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> Let's face it phono lovers...ebay is not, and will not be what it used to >>> be. >>> Ebay is a great example of a company that was successful in making money >>> and >>> at the same time pleasing it's LOYAL customers. Now, ebay has become a >>> greedy business whose number one goal is to make money, regardless of how >>> it >>> affects the customer. >>> >>> I got a real kick out of this morning's news when there was a story that >>> stated that EVEN ebay is feeling the crunches of this bad economy. The >>> newscaster >>> went on to say that according to ebay, the reason was because there were >>> no >>> big desirable Christmas items this year. No, ebay. That's not the >>> reason. >>> >>> The reason is because some of the customers are getting fed up with the _ >>> _ >>> _ >>> _ that your company is pulling over on them. >>> >>> I have joined several of you on this group that will not sell or buy on >>> ebay. >>> It will take many more of us; but this is the only way that this greedy >>> company is going to face up. >>> >>> Also, have any of you noticed the fraud that has increased with ebay? >>> Examples are the stolen pictures placed with items, people not getting >>> their >>> goods, >>> etc., etc., etc. >>> >>> My hobbies, including phonograph and record collecting, have not suffered >>> one >>> bit from my divorce from ebay. In fact, I find myself spending more time >>> enjoying my collections. Just think, if most people would stop their love >>> affair >>> with ebay, they could enjoy their nice Victor V with a cool Billy Murray >>> singing out the hits! >>> >>> You know...I think ebay really did me a favor. Thanks ebay for your work >>> in >>> >>> causing me to sever my ties with you. The divorce was cheap. It didn't >>> cost >>> me a thing. >>> >>> That's all I got to say. You all take care and as always... >>> >>> Keep 'em running at 78...rpms that is! >>> >>> Brantley >>> Williston, S.C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> I'm with ye, Brantly! >>> >>> I haven't used e-bay (other than for entertainment, a la Harvey K) since >>> they went to Pay Pal or Nada. >>> >>> Now, Nada n' I will go play a record on a Victor Talking Machine and we >>> will >>> enjoy the music. >>> >>> See y'all later! >>> >>> Edward, in Zigzag >>> **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, >>> stay >>> up-to-date with the latest news. >>> (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023<http://aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023> >>> ) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1914 - Release Date: 1/24/2009 > 8:40 PM > >
