Correction: I was watching '24' when typing this and not sure what I was thinking.? The address of Newark, NJ cited in the link Bruce posted was used on their records when they went to lateral.? This is when they began to use the "Never Scratches" trademark on the records.? Also, not sure about the lateral but there were 12" vertical records as well.? According to TMW they were to come out in January 1918.
Glenn ________________________________ From: Glenn Longwell <[email protected]> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:03:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I've been doing some research on Lyraphone but I still have a way to go.? Here's what I can tell you.? Sutton's ARLC says Lyraphone's trademark claimed Lyric as a phonograph brand since October 1915.? I have communicated with the owner of this machine and the pictures I have show no name of Stewart.? It is clearly a "Lyric" phonograph made by Lyraphone Co. of America.? These are clearly the same company as the Lyric record label.? The records, however, didn't come out until the fall of 1917.? They were vertical cut.? I also have some label images and sleeves on my website at www.majesticrecord.com/labelsl.htm.? What I was very interested in seeing with this phonograph was whether it played vertical, lateral or both.? It plays lateral only unless there was an adaptor of some sort that I don't know about.? This doesn't surprise me though since there's no mention of Lyraphone starting from 1917 in The TAlking Machine World about being a phonograph producer.? All their ads and announcements talk about records only although there's mention of a Lyric adaptor being produced to play them on lateral machines.? The trade directories from?early 1917 on don't list Lyraphone as a machine producer.? I don't have access to earlier information right now but the one piece of evidence I do have is an article from 1917 referring to their past reorganization. So, at the moment, I have to presume they failed as a machine producer and came back as a record producer with General offices in Manhattan and production in Brooklyn.? The only reference I've found to NJ as Bruce's link showed was after they went into receivership in late 1921 and the company resurfaced with the Lyraphone label (no longer Lyric) and they no longer produced the records.? So, it would appear this phonograph is from 1915 or 1916. When I find their incorporation papers I'll see if they actually started there as well.? I don't have information yet on the location of their phonograph operation except the label on the phonograph, which does say New York. Glenn ________________________________ From: DanKj <[email protected]> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:33:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I think these were also sold as "Stewart" phonographs, which came in green or wood-grain and were also round.? I have a green one. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph This is a wild guess but I suspect it may be the same Company that made the Lyric Records, I believe those were the records that had the cat on the label. Maybe they got into the production of phonographs at some point in the late teens when the patent on the flat disc record and disc phonographs ran out and many companies jumped into the market at that time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Barna" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:15:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Can anyone help this gentleman? I can't find anything in my sources about Lyric machines. Please respond to him directly. From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:43:17 -0400 Subject: Wondering if you new any information about my Lyric table top phonegraph To: [email protected] Hi, Ryan I have a Table top crank phonograph, it says LYRIC AND LYRAPHONE CO. NEW YORK. It is round and made of metal but looks like wood. Approximately 15 inches across at it widest spot. I cant seem to find any info on this phonograph on the net? Thanks Jim Schaffer _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Tue Mar 17 04:11:07 2009 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Tue Mar 17 04:11:16 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <467104408.7351281237288267725.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Is there any website where we can see a photo or two of this short-lived and elusive Lyraphone Phonograph? Thanks for the detailed information. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Longwell" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:41:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Correction: I was watching '24' when typing this and not sure what I was thinking. The address of Newark, NJ cited in the link Bruce posted was used on their records when they went to lateral. This is when they began to use the "Never Scratches" trademark on the records. Also, not sure about the lateral but there were 12" vertical records as well. According to TMW they were to come out in January 1918. Glenn ________________________________ From: Glenn Longwell <[email protected]> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:03:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I've been doing some research on Lyraphone but I still have a way to go. Here's what I can tell you. Sutton's ARLC says Lyraphone's trademark claimed Lyric as a phonograph brand since October 1915. I have communicated with the owner of this machine and the pictures I have show no name of Stewart. It is clearly a "Lyric" phonograph made by Lyraphone Co. of America. These are clearly the same company as the Lyric record label. The records, however, didn't come out until the fall of 1917. They were vertical cut. I also have some label images and sleeves on my website at www.majesticrecord.com/labelsl.htm. What I was very interested in seeing with this phonograph was whether it played vertical, lateral or both. It plays lateral only unless there was an adaptor of some sort that I don't know about. This doesn't surprise me though since there's no mention of Lyraphone starting from 1917 in The TAlking Machine World about being a phonograph producer. All their ads and announcements talk about records only although there's mention of a Lyric adaptor being produced to play them on lateral machines. The trade directories from early 1917 on don't list Lyraphone as a machine producer. I don't have access to earlier information right now but the one piece of evidence I do have is an article from 1917 referring to their past reorganization. So, at the moment, I have to presume they failed as a machine producer and came back as a record producer with General offices in Manhattan and production in Brooklyn. The only reference I've found to NJ as Bruce's link showed was after they went into receivership in late 1921 and the company resurfaced with the Lyraphone label (no longer Lyric) and they no longer produced the records. So, it would appear this phonograph is from 1915 or 1916. When I find their incorporation papers I'll see if they actually started there as well. I don't have information yet on the location of their phonograph operation except the label on the phonograph, which does say New York. Glenn ________________________________ From: DanKj <[email protected]> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:33:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I think these were also sold as "Stewart" phonographs, which came in green or wood-grain and were also round. I have a green one. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph This is a wild guess but I suspect it may be the same Company that made the Lyric Records, I believe those were the records that had the cat on the label. Maybe they got into the production of phonographs at some point in the late teens when the patent on the flat disc record and disc phonographs ran out and many companies jumped into the market at that time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Barna" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:15:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Can anyone help this gentleman? I can't find anything in my sources about Lyric machines. Please respond to him directly. From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:43:17 -0400 Subject: Wondering if you new any information about my Lyric table top phonegraph To: [email protected] Hi, Ryan I have a Table top crank phonograph, it says LYRIC AND LYRAPHONE CO. NEW YORK. It is round and made of metal but looks like wood. Approximately 15 inches across at it widest spot. I cant seem to find any info on this phonograph on the net? Thanks Jim Schaffer _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Tue Mar 17 04:31:47 2009 From: [email protected] (Glenn Longwell) Date: Tue Mar 17 04:31:54 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph References: <467104408.7351281237288267725.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Bruce - I will be posting the pictures?on my website soon and I'll let you know. Glenn ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:11:07 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Is there any website where we can see a photo or two of this short-lived and elusive Lyraphone Phonograph? Thanks for the detailed information. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Longwell" <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:41:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Correction: I was watching '24' when typing this and not sure what I was thinking. The address of Newark, NJ cited in the link Bruce posted was used on their records when they went to lateral. This is when they began to use the "Never Scratches" trademark on the records. Also, not sure about the lateral but there were 12" vertical records as well. According to TMW they were to come out in January 1918. Glenn ________________________________ From: Glenn Longwell <[email protected]> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:03:18 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I've been doing some research on Lyraphone but I still have a way to go. Here's what I can tell you. Sutton's ARLC says Lyraphone's trademark claimed Lyric as a phonograph brand since October 1915. I have communicated with the owner of this machine and the pictures I have show no name of Stewart. It is clearly a "Lyric" phonograph made by Lyraphone Co. of America. These are clearly the same company as the Lyric record label. The records, however, didn't come out until the fall of 1917. They were vertical cut. I also have some label images and sleeves on my website at www.majesticrecord.com/labelsl.htm. What I was very interested in seeing with this phonograph was whether it played vertical, lateral or both. It plays lateral only unless there was an adaptor of some sort that I don't know about. This doesn't surprise me though since there's no mention of Lyraphone starting from 1917 in The TAlking Machine World about being a phonograph producer. All their ads and announcements talk about records only although there's mention of a Lyric adaptor being produced to play them on lateral machines. The trade directories from early 1917 on don't list Lyraphone as a machine producer. I don't have access to earlier information right now but the one piece of evidence I do have is an article from 1917 referring to their past reorganization. So, at the moment, I have to presume they failed as a machine producer and came back as a record producer with General offices in Manhattan and production in Brooklyn. The only reference I've found to NJ as Bruce's link showed was after they went into receivership in late 1921 and the company resurfaced with the Lyraphone label (no longer Lyric) and they no longer produced the records. So, it would appear this phonograph is from 1915 or 1916. When I find their incorporation papers I'll see if they actually started there as well. I don't have information yet on the location of their phonograph operation except the label on the phonograph, which does say New York. Glenn ________________________________ From: DanKj <[email protected]> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:33:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph I think these were also sold as "Stewart" phonographs, which came in green or wood-grain and were also round. I have a green one. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph This is a wild guess but I suspect it may be the same Company that made the Lyric Records, I believe those were the records that had the cat on the label. Maybe they got into the production of phonographs at some point in the late teens when the patent on the flat disc record and disc phonographs ran out and many companies jumped into the market at that time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Barna" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:15:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Phono-L] Lyric phonograph Can anyone help this gentleman? I can't find anything in my sources about Lyric machines. Please respond to him directly. From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:43:17 -0400 Subject: Wondering if you new any information about my Lyric table top phonegraph To: [email protected] Hi, Ryan I have a Table top crank phonograph, it says LYRIC AND LYRAPHONE CO. NEW YORK. It is round and made of metal but looks like wood. Approximately 15 inches across at it widest spot. I cant seem to find any info on this phonograph on the net? Thanks Jim Schaffer _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Tue Mar 17 05:39:46 2009 From: [email protected] (Ron L) Date: Tue Mar 17 05:41:26 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]><2c81fa003d7f46d6aa03ac9ffa442...@ronlherault> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> According to the book, the flower style was correct from the M on, I believe. The book is home and I hate to rely on my memory. Ron -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay Horenstein Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:04 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn I had an early Vic I. It came with a smaller elbow, and a small Victor flower horn. The horn was a bit beat up, so I purchased the very small black and brass reproduction to use for display. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:49 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn Hi Jay, I have only seen one picture so I am not sure. However, judging from the picture it is the Vic 1 type M. It has the barrel brake and a flat crank. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay Horenstein Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:30 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: RE: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn The early Vic I? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron L Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:18 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List'; [email protected] Subject: [Phono-L] Vic 1 horn I'm trying to help someone find a vintage horn for a Vic 1. He prefers either a Victor horn or an aftermarket one of the period rather than a modern reproduction. He needs the proper elbow as well. Anyone have something suitable? Ron L _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 3/16/2009 7:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. 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