Thanks Curt for sharing these tips.
Andy
On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote:
Hi Andy and all,
From what you can see on the video, Rub n Buff or similar rub on
metallic waxes are great for restorations. I have used it to touch
up or redo the stripes on Edison horns. It subtlely restores the
original look. A friend and I recently used it on the gold tonearm
of his Victrola 18, which had some obvious wear on the elbow near
the reproducer. After we finished, you couldn't tell it was done.
Note: Rub n Buff or other metallic waxes look good, but are not
permanent without using a fixative. I use Krylon Matte finish art
fixative to topcoat it after I'm through. It is transparent and
does not show up after it is applied, but makes the metallic finish
permanent. You should experiment first, before using it on an
important piece. Another use for the fixative is this: if you have
a black horn, which is scratched, etc. it detracts from the look
and I hate to repaint, because you cannot reproduce the japanned
finish. I touch up the scratches with a Sharpie marker, then blend
the t
ouchups in with WD40 - I know, everyone hates WD40, but WD40 sprayed
on the black paint restores the original look and blends in the
touchups from the Sharpie. I then wipe off the WD40 with a soft
cloth and spray the horn with fixative. If you have a horn that is
in need of repainting, you might try this procedure, as it has
worked well for me. I have restored a Victor R horn, a Cygnet horn
that was really scratched bad and an Edison black flowered horn that
now looks pristine. Just an idea... take it for what it's worth.
Curt
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:35:15 -0700
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn "Ball Holder"
I've been following this thread with interest. Nice description
here. Brass hardware that you mentioned (2-56 thread might be
appropriate for this), and solder are all relatively soft materials
and would give that nice balance between getting as close as you can
to a factory look, and yet be sturdy enough to know it will safely
support the weight.
What's the "rub n buff" that you mentioned?
Andy Baron
On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Mike Stitt wrote:
Is it really so bad the rivets must come out? Even if the metal is
split
I'll bet you could close it up. This sounds like one of those jobs
you wish
you left alone. Rivet drilling can go wrong in a heartbeat. If you
can drill
the outside head with a matching bit ( a little smaller that the
rivet head)
but do not drill thru'. Be very careful.
Just thin the rivet. Next with a smaller bit drill thru' the center
but not
through the rivet. Take a punch and gently tap it out. The rivet
head should
break apart at the shank when you tap it. If not thin the head out
more so.
Small brass rivets will be your best bet. I'd use nuts and bolts
over pop
rivets.You might give thought if you use brass rivets to drill the
shank
with a small bit. That way when you set them the rivet should give
with less
force.
If you use nuts and bolts use brass. File the nuts down very thin
and even
file them round. Cut the screws just long enough so when you bolt it
together the screw should not extend past the thin nut. Using brass
you can
fill the slotted head in with solder. Either use rub n buff or just
black
model paint. It is un-doable if need be and will look better than
you think.
Mike Stitt
Good luck.
Mike Stitt
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Ron L'Herault <[email protected]>
wrote:
It was probably a riveting tool with a long reach. You could pop
rivet
them
but that would not look quite right from the inside. Anyone else
know more
about riveting?
Ron L
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
]
On
Behalf Of Vinyl Visions
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn "Ball Holder"
I've been afraid to remove the rivets, since I don't know what
method they
used originally to put the rivets in without distorting the horn...
any
ideas?
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:00:17 -0500
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn "Ball Holder"
Have you tried drilling out the rivets and taking the part to a
musical
Instrument repair shop? They may be able to straighten it out.
Then you
can rivet it back on.
Ron L
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
]
On
Behalf Of Vinyl Visions
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Phono-L] Cygnet Horn "Ball Holder"
I don't know what you call it exactly, but does anyone sell
replacements
for the brass ball holder that is riveted to a cygnet horn? If so,
how do
you go about replacing it? Mine was torn up by someone trying to
replace
the
ball.
Curt
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