I know... live and learn... and learn I have...
Good advise there...
We're gonna be moving hosts in a few weeks anyway, to relieve the burden 
on little me in these kinda areas...

Passwords are being changed, and patches are being checked for updates 
I have full backups of the site, and most of the databases, so it's not a 
major crisis, but it is a major pain in the arse... I just LOVE data 
entry...! ;-)

I think I've still got a job, so that's good... but I'll listen to the 
advise I've been given today and act on it...

Roll on Friday...


22/07/2003 12:52
Please respond to php-db

        To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        Subject:        Re: [PHP-DB] Hackers?

On Tuesday 22 July 2003 18:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Now I am not an Apache guru, and my PHP/MySQL experience is all based
> around the coding side, not the instilation, security etc...
> So when I arrived at work yesterday, and discovered that several 
> had been deleted, and a random database called 'sanij' has been created,
> My gut was to suspect hackers.
> None of my web site pages are unaffected, and the web site runs just 
> apart from those pages that need a MySQL database for content.

Hmm, you have several databases missing, you suspect hackers, yet you 
to run the server so that ...

> This morning I come to work and ALL the databases have been deleted.
> As I said, I really don't know where to begin looking for evidence of
> hackers.

... they can delete ALL your databases?

The golden rule is, at the first sign of any suspicious activity (yes 
several databases deleted does count as suspicious activity!), take the 
server off-line, backup all your important data, and investigate.

> While I'm curious to know who did this, 

I think a better question to be asking is *how* they did this. Knowing 
would stand you in good stead to prevent it from happenning in the future.

Depending on the ability of the 'hacker' the logs may be a source of info.

> I guess my priority os to recover
> the lost data... is this possible...?

See what you can salvage from the directory where MySQL keeps the 
If there's nothing there then your only salvation are in the backups.

> I'm working off a RAQ4, hosted by NetBenefit...
> Any advise, ideas are gonna be apperciated at this point.
> I've got backups of alot of the databases, but several were created in 
> past few weeks, and I didn't back them up yet...
> I know I know... stupid man I am, but I'll slap myself later, for now... 
> solution is required....

1) The RAQs and its siblings seems to be notoriously insecure. You really 
to keep up with any new security updates.

2) A default installation of MySQL is also insecure in that you do not 
need a 
password to use the root account.

As with all break-ins or suspected break-ins, to be on the safe side you 
should recover any data that you can (making sure that they haven't been 
tainted) then format the hard-disk (or better still, put in a new 
keeping the old one for analysis) and re-install.

Jason Wong -> Gremlins Associates -> www.gremlins.biz
Open Source Software Systems Integrators
* Web Design & Hosting * Internet & Intranet Applications Development *
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