Hi Ron,

You're asking the wrong audience. Ask for a show of hands on a .NET mailing

Regards, John

"Ron Chmara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> Edin Kadribasic wrote:
> > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-08-13-009-20-OP
> > This guy claims that PHP has been 'left in the dust' by ASP.NET.
> Uh... if a viable, tested, deployed product was shipping, that may
> eventually be substantiated.
> Quick show of hands: Who has deployed an enterprise .NET architecture?
> If it's in the the dust, why is it's marketshare peanuts compared to PHP?
> > Edin
> > From the article:
> (Warning: venting below:)
> > There will be Apache defenders who will bristle at the suggestion that
it is
> > a vanilla webserver. Look at PHP, they will say. PHP actually has
> > market share than ASP. You can build fantastic web applications with PHP
> > a fraction of the cost of any commercial alternatives, including
> Not to mention faster, more extensible, more open, with more choices in
> backends, and it can be deployed on more stable serving platforms. :-)
> >  That's great, but when will PHP grow to become something more than a
> > scripting language?
> About two years ago.
> > Where is the PHP enterprise component architecture?
> Vague marketing speak. Do they want millions of prewritten code blocks
> to call, so programmers can "write" code based on somebody else's
> catch-all, do all, code, slowing the app down to glacial VB/ASP speeds?
> They already exist for PHP, if you want 'em. You barely have to
> write an include (use/call/whatever) statement, and there's thousands
> posted to www.php.net laready. If you don't want the horrible pain
> of downloading 5 lines of code, PEAR is building out generic catch-all
> objects and components, so you can use code not optimized for your
> individual needs.
> > What
> > about clustering and failover?
> Neither IIS nor apache offer true (coming from a VMS standpoint)
> clustering. However, I am doing web server clustering already
> with PHP, ldap, and postgresql.
> > Where are the WSDL and UDDI implementations?
> Ah, buzzword wars. Why not ask why PHP doesn't support CASE or
> ROSE? (Because the skill of a technology in performing
> a task is unrelated to which buzzword of the day is adopted.)
> > Don't show me bits and pieces here and there.
> Fine. Don't ask for components, then.
> > Show me a framework.
> Linux (base) Apache (web server) LDAP (auth) Postgres/MySQL (storage).
> > Show me a
> > reference implementation.
> http://www.php.net
> Now show me a high-speed ASP.NET site, with 20+ failover sites, 8+
> languages, all running off of a common ASP code base... with less than
> 30 single CPU machines.
> > Show me a friendly interface.
> UltraEdit.
> > Not there yet? So
> > PHP has been left in the dust as well, while ASP is morphing into
> > the browser delivery front-end of the Microsoft web services platform.
> FUD. And bad marketing flames. Maybe they wanted to bump up their hit
> -Bop

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