Manuel Lemos wrote:
> There is no doubt about that, but the original poster was asking why
> PHP is not part of college curriculum and I was explaining that
> unlike other languages that are marketed by companies with big
> brands, there is no big brand behind PHP to push it at any comparable
> level.

While I agree that better marketing would greatly benefit PHP, and 
might even get it into some universities, I don't think it is the main 
obstacle.
IMHO PHP does not have much of a place in university.
Languages like Haskell, Scheme and Gopher, have always been quite 
successful in university although there has rarely been anything useful 
done with them in the world outside and marketing behind them has 
always been near zero.

Universities care a lot about concepts, or how to "do it right". PHP's 
focus is on people who are new to programming and on "do it right now". 
The latter, aka "Worse is better",  while being successful and 
important  in the free world, is not very suitable for universities.

PHP's design is not very clean, that never was the goal and it's 
probably better this way., because what PHP wanted to achieve it did 
achieve (I think).
I can't think of very much actual facts (as opposed to marketing) that 
would make universities interested in PHP.
One of those I can think of is MetaL, btw.

> To illustrate what I am say, althought it was not a language but a
> Open Source OS, Linux did not start taking much credit until Red Hat
> started distributing it and entered to NASDAQ. From then on, Red Had
> become a big brand (at least a noticeable one) and Linux was not
> necessarily the best free Unix like OS. Red Hat made it a big deal as
> we all know.

Linux was successful in universities before it was successful outside. 
PHP is very successful outside, and I fear that conquering universities 
from where PHP is successful now is simply neither very probable nor, 
at the current state of PHP,  very desirable.

regards
Wagner

-- 
"Never attribute to malice what can as easily be the result of 
incompetence."

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